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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:46 AM

View PostRoderick, on 07 January 2013 - 06:42 AM, said:

Yes, for otherwise defenceless people.

So we arm the Indian population.... what a laugh.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:50 AM

View Postscotto, on 07 January 2013 - 04:49 AM, said:

That's just plain wrong, that ' the justice system works fairly well'. Rape trials take years to get to court, and when they do, and take years to be heard once they start.

Not this time!!

Two of the accused are already trying to turn State's evidence.

But there are solutions in sight: Overcoats.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:15 AM

Sure, an exception forced by an unacceptable situation. But in the usual case, you're dead wrong.

I had thought the purdah solution would present itself in a culture like India's. It will be a real test of the resolve of lawmakers to see which way they go, as a conservative solution will play into the hands of religious extremists there.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:56 AM

View Postscotto, on 07 January 2013 - 07:15 AM, said:

Sure, an exception forced by an unacceptable situation. But in the usual case, you're dead wrong.

I had thought the purdah solution would present itself in a culture like India's. It will be a real test of the resolve of lawmakers to see which way they go, as a conservative solution will play into the hands of religious extremists there.


The Justice system in India does work fairly well, it has its faults of course but in comparison to many other countries it does work.
It does suffer from some of the inherited faults from Britain.

The overcoat solution is being laughed at across the whole of India.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 08:03 AM

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So we arm the Indian population.... what a laugh.

It's their Constitutional right to have self protection, is that funny?

If the girl and her friend had had pistols then she'd be alive today.

Maybe you think that her rape, by penis and intestine puncturing iron bar, is preferable to her being able to protect herself.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

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It's their Constitutional right to have self protection, is that funny?

If the girl and her friend had had pistols then she'd be alive today.

Maybe you think that her rape, by penis and intestine puncturing iron bar, is preferable to her being able to protect herself.

More fantasy. By the way, do you know the Indian constitution that well?

If they'd had guns..... blah blah blah. They likely would have been shot with them.

More shock/horror. Save it; it's insulting to suggest that I think that was a good outcome. If you know people that think that, then talk to them about it.

Don't you think that Indians in general would be better off with rule of law? If you want to learn a few facts about how things are there, read this Drum piece about the place.

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The Indian legal system has real problems with excessive delays, low conviction rates and police with a terrible reputation for dealing with victims of sexual assault. In March 2012 journalists at the Indian weekly journal Tehelka conducted an investigation they titled The Anatomy of a Rape. In a nation where the conviction rate for rape has gone from 46 per cent in 1971 to 26 per cent in 2012 and where over 40,000 rape cases are before the courts, it was a timely story. There was no political reaction to it at the time.

Tehelka interviewed a range of people, from the policeman investigating a gang rape case who held "the girl and her parents equally responsible… Too much independence in the name of modern culture is not justified"; to the lawyer who described brutal cross-examinations in which victims are treated "as the accused" and subjected to medical examinations that still include the "archaic two-finger test to establish whether the victim was 'accustomed to sex.'"
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:51 AM

View Postscotto, on 07 January 2013 - 10:28 AM, said:

More fantasy. By the way, do you know the Indian constitution that well?

If they'd had guns..... blah blah blah. They likely would have been shot with them.

More shock/horror. Save it; it's insulting to suggest that I think that was a good outcome. If you know people that think that, then talk to them about it.

Don't you think that Indians in general would be better off with rule of law? If you want to learn a few facts about how things are there, read this Drum piece about the place.


Yes, I do know the Indian Constitution well, been studying India and Indians for the past 40 year or so.
Why do you assume that if the couple had been armed that they would have been shot with their own guns?
The last two occasions when I was confronted by an armed person I only drew my coat back and showed my pistol and the 'would be' fled.

Regarding the shock/horror, do you not think that we ought to understand just what her rape and consequent suffering entailed?

Indians do have the rule of law, sometimes not very effectively, but still law and much better than in a lot of other places.
I have never bothered getting a pistol licence in India so when I'm up there I only carry a knife or a sword cane. I might add that I feel much safer in India, unarmed, than I do in Sydney after dark, particularly on Sydney's trains.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 12:24 PM

Got a quote from the Indian constitution for the uneducated on this topic?

So what was your job that you were carrying a concealed weapon? And what were they armed with?

I think most people understand the trauma involved. It doesn't make you 'more real' to bang on about it.

So you feel safer in India, and you walk about carrying a weapon there. Wonderful.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 12:16 PM

Just goes to show that religious twatsare the same all over the world.

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Self-styled godman Asharam, known to his followers as Bapu, or father, told his devotees on Tuesday that blame for the assault on a moving bus in New Delhi on December 16 should not just rest with her attackers.

"This tragedy would not have happened if she had chanted God's name and fallen at the feet of the attackers. The error was not committed by just one side," he said in video footage which has been widely circulated on the internet.


Maybe this is useful if a gunman attacks as well?
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:04 PM

View Postscotto, on 09 January 2013 - 12:16 PM, said:

Just goes to show that religious twatsare the same all over the world.



Maybe this is useful if a gunman attacks as well?

Better to have have a 13 shot Browning HiPower (same as the Aust. army issue)

Seven hits vertical and six horizontal, centre mass reference.

Known as 'The Sign of the Cross'.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:12 PM

gee... kill them 13 times.... that's not overkill, is it?
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

Hey, sometimes, when you are out shooting and killing, a red mist descends and you just cant stop pulling the trigger.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:37 PM

not to mention a bit of a Mel Gibson/Lethal Weapon fantasy.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:39 PM

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Maybe this is useful if a gunman attacks as well?


Just thought that you might like a bit of religious flavour.
The Maltese Cross is harder to do though it really only requires four shots.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:40 PM

TBH Im getting more of a Rambo-lite vibe. Older rambo, where he needs to use a walking stick and has a nice knee rug and a rocking chair with a shotgun built into the arms.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 01:42 PM

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TBH Im getting more of a Rambo-lite vibe. Older rambo, where he needs to use a walking stick and has a nice knee rug and a rocking chair with a shotgun built into the arms.

TBH I think that you've out of the water to long, today is very hot.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:33 PM

View PostRoderick, on 09 January 2013 - 01:39 PM, said:

Just thought that you might like a bit of religious flavour.
The Maltese Cross is harder to do though it really only requires four shots.

Good one, Riggs!
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:40 PM

View Postscotto, on 09 January 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

Good one, Riggs!

Im pretty sure the Maltese Cross is the move from seminal film "Blades of Glory" starring Wil Feral.

Maybe roderick got confused.

Again.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:43 AM

View PostNotFrogman, on 09 January 2013 - 02:40 PM, said:

Im pretty sure the Maltese Cross is the move from seminal film "Blades of Glory" starring Wil Feral.

Maybe roderick got confused.

Again.

FYI Frog,
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Any cross really only requires four points of emphasis.
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Posted 20 April 2013 - 08:46 AM

Rape of child sparks protests in India

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Angry protesters have taken to the streets of India's capital New Delhi after the brutal rape of a 5-year-old girl who remains in hospital, fighting for her life. And there are yet more calls for authorities to do more to protect women.
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