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Julian Assange, the Wild Colonial Boy the Wikisaga

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Posted 14 February 2011 - 01:31 PM

You know, it astounds me that it was more than six months ago that I sent a piece about young Julian Assange and Wikileaks into the Pigs Arms. It literally seems like yesterday that he and they came to prominence – probably the fact that there is a story about them in some press, somewhere, nearly everyday keeps it seeming that way.

Since then I’ve learnt some things about Julian A and Wikileaks; some of them are probably true but it’s difficult to know which ones. He has been to Sweden; I’m sure that much is true. He is staying in England at the moment; again this seems certain. Really just about everything else is debatable.

Wikileaks now has competition – Openleaks. And in our profit-driven, competition-crazed society surely this is a good thing. If WL won’t publish your leak, shop it to OL. I just hope that it won’t lead to less caution in publishing some material, because up to now Wiki and the papers selected to publish material at the same time seem to have done a good job of redacting potentially dangerous information and protecting individuals from danger, except of course the danger of embarrassment.

More recently Julian Assange is under pressure to return to Sweden, not because he is facing charges but because some Swedes want to ask him questions. Questions have also been raised about the background connections of two women who have made allegations about him. Of course, the US wants Assange in some sort of gaol in a country they control, whether that be in Australia or the US, Egypt currently being offline for rendition purposes due to – of all things – an outbreak of democratic feeling. This seems particularly poignant in Australia, as it has emerged during the detention of Mr Habib in Egpyt, he was visited by Australian officials, who were later tragically afflicted by a virulent strain of memory loss. Now Egpyt is at least temporarily out of reach.

But back to Julian A and the main story. Since being denounced as a criminal by some in Australia, denounced as not-a-journalist by some in the US, denounced as a ‘bit of a weirdo who likes having sex’ by an ex-colleague, and denounced as a cad by some women in Sweden, Julian’s fortunes have soared and sympathy with his cause is at levels he would not have dreamed about since being a pimply hacker trying to evade the Feds back here in Australia.

I almost feel sorry for the US – how many times do they have to see their best efforts to vilify a person or declare ‘war’ on a cause result in the exact opposite happening before they see the pattern?
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 09:04 PM

Openleaks, yep bring it on!! Soon governments and large corporations will be setting up fake leaks... Too much information, either true or false, is disinformation... That's how you kill the Wikileaks mission.... So much of it, that nobody will care... We all knew we were being lied to anyway!
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Posted 14 February 2011 - 09:04 PM

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 07:18 AM

View Postlogos, on 14 February 2011 - 09:04 PM, said:

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Posted 15 February 2011 - 08:32 AM

How come no one including journalists are asking where this person getting this information from? Further...why was he chosen (by someone) to receive all this so-called "secret" information? I can understand the secrecy involved on the identity of the supplier of this information, however if no one confirms what is exposed (leaked)then how do we know that what is leaked is genuine? (as an example say a cable of a conversation between Julia Gillard and the USA Ambassador is leaked and neither of these persons confirm that conversation, then how do we know that what was leaked is genuine? And who chose him? If these questions are not answered then I am afraid this whole business looks like a charade which was concocted by the West for some purpose or other
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Posted 15 February 2011 - 08:57 AM

well.... surely he's a journalist or at least a publisher. It doesn't seem any more insidious than any other paper receiving information - for example, the Washington Post regarding Watergate or the Pentagon Papers being released by Daniel Ellsberg.

Of course the other papers that WL releases this material to make their own assessments against what they know. I think the strident reactions from various goverments makes it unlikely that it's all some counterintelligence beat up.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:29 AM

I've not been posting much here about the Assange saga, but news today that the British government has issued a written threat to the Ecuador government that they will storm the embassy of Ecuador if he is not handed over is extraodinary, and chilling.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 08:47 AM

View Postscotto, on 16 August 2012 - 08:29 AM, said:

I've not been posting much here about the Assange saga, but news today that the British government has issued a written threat to the Ecuador government that they will storm the embassy of Ecuador if he is not handed over is extraodinary, and chilling.


British democracy at work.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 09:02 AM

View PostRoderick, on 16 August 2012 - 08:47 AM, said:

British democracy at work.

It just shows the level of hyterical fear that governments have about transperancy and the diea that everyone might have some idea of what's really going on.
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 04:54 PM

Do the Tories know the Geneva Convention of 1967?Is GB now a rogue state?
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Posted 16 August 2012 - 05:05 PM

Totally bizarre. What's the odds that the people that run Britain - the US - have been on the blower?
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 08:14 AM

Assange has asylum. I think that the threat made by Britain was a last-minute effort to bully the Ecuadoreans out of this decision.

Given that through the Cold War and beyond, spies and assasins from various countries, masquerading as 'cultural attaches' and such like, were allowed to leave the UK and the US with safe passage after being ejected, the idea that someone like Assange will not be granted the same customary right is repugnant and morally bankrupt.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 02:23 PM

View Postscotto, on 17 August 2012 - 08:14 AM, said:

The idea that someone like Assange will not be granted the same customary right is repugnant and morally bankrupt.

This whole case and issue is repugnant and morally bankrupt.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 02:47 PM

Some commentary on the Assange asylum situation, in support of his asylum with Ecuador.
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 05:16 PM

I see it as quite ironic that Julian Assange an Australian citizen is seeking asylum in a foreign country as similar to the hundreds that are coming on boats to Australia. Do not forget that these boat people are asylum seekers as well
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 05:42 PM

View Postdumbcluck, on 17 August 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

I see it as quite ironic that Julian Assange an Australian citizen is seeking asylum in a foreign country as similar to the hundreds that are coming on boats to Australia. Do not forget that these boat people are asylum seekers as well


An Australian seeking asylum in an embassy in Britain - what a joke.

Don't know if this has previously been asked and answered, but if it's the evil Yanks he fears, haven't they got extradition rights with the UK. And if so, and they really wanted the twerp, they could have got him directly (leaving Sweden as a future "must visit" destination for Assange).
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 06:26 PM

View Posticey, on 17 August 2012 - 05:42 PM, said:

An Australian seeking asylum in an embassy in Britain - what a joke.

Don't know if this has previously been asked and answered, but if it's the evil Yanks he fears, haven't they got extradition rights with the UK. And if so, and they really wanted the twerp, they could have got him directly (leaving Sweden as a future "must visit" destination for Assange).

Twerp? What have you got against him?
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 10:27 PM

View Postscotto, on 17 August 2012 - 06:26 PM, said:

Twerp? What have you got against him?


That he's exploited ill-gotten gains (the data) to the detriment and danger of innocent parties. That he's "on the run" and too gutless to face his accusers. That he's manipulative and happy to blow the £240,000 bail post by his besotted supporters. That he's been supported as an Australian citizen, and yet run like a rat to (for heaven's sake) the Ecuadorian embassy.

On the plus side.....?
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Posted 17 August 2012 - 10:51 PM

You know this era on planet Earth seems to be dedicated to glorifying mediocrity. First we have have Kerry Packer being treated like an Einstein for inventing "night cricket"....now Julian Assange is in the same boat. What exactly had he done? ....he was instrumental in releasing all these so called "secret cables" to the world. Big deal!
Then we have people like Kim Kardashian I am not even aware of what her claim to fame would be....however she is still famous!
It's like the planet Earth is missing those "real heroes" we had in the past and of which we have no more and are bringing up all these people in a compensatory measure. What an era.
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Posted 18 August 2012 - 07:32 AM

View Posticey, on 17 August 2012 - 10:27 PM, said:

That he's exploited ill-gotten gains (the data) to the detriment and danger of innocent parties. That he's "on the run" and too gutless to face his accusers. That he's manipulative and happy to blow the £240,000 bail post by his besotted supporters. That he's been supported as an Australian citizen, and yet run like a rat to (for heaven's sake) the Ecuadorian embassy.

On the plus side.....?

It's very difficult to see how he's been supported as an Australian citizen, at least by our government, who declared him incorrectly to be 'a criminal.'

Regarding his ill-gotten gains, I think you miss the point that this is the whole reason Wikileaks exists. As for exploiting this - how? He certainly isn't rich, and never has been to my knowledge. As to 'ill-gotten', you need to explain how this is so; leaked, certainly, whistleblown, yes, embarrassing to some - certainly. Some have asserted danger, however no proof at all has ever been offered for this claim. To suggest that there might be danger posed to 'innocent parties' is again without proof and in fact ridiculous, given the subject matter of most links.

Regarding his accusers - who are they? It has been documented that the women concerned in this matter did not want charges pressed against him. So they are not his accusers. The Swedish legal system, for no clear reason that has been documented, have decided they need him to answer questions in person. No charges have been laid.

Yes, the bond has been lost. I'm sure no one is happy about that.
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