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Posted 06 February 2013 - 06:25 AM

Britain passes draft gay marriage legislation

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British lawmakers have voted in favour of legislation allowing gay marriage, despite a split in Prime Minister David Cameron's Conservative party.

The draft law, which proposes legalising same-sex marriage in England and Wales in 2014, was carried by 400 votes to 175 votes.

The legislation is several stages away from becoming law, but has already exposed rifts within Mr Cameron's party at a time when he is facing growing talk of a possible leadership challenge.

I'm not sure where in the process of becoming law this legislation is at, nor of all the steps that bills must take before becoming law in the British Parliament, but methinks that it's still at a fairly early stage in the process.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 07:05 AM

Nevertheless very interesting. I wasn't aware the Brits were going t do this - perhaps Cameron trying to assuage worries about his government's social creditials in the wake of the Eurozone kerfuffle?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 02:34 PM

Not for the first time the House Of Commons champions freedom.Now ,what will the Lords do?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 03:50 PM

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Not for the first time the House Of Commons champions freedom.Now ,what will the Lords do?

For Britain's sake one may hope that they will do what is right and stick up for the rights of all the normal people who are already married or contemplating marriage under the present laws.
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 04:14 PM

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For Britain's sake one may hope that they will do what is right and stick up for the rights of all the normal people who are already married or contemplating marriage under the present laws.
Normal? So the others are abnormal?
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Posted 06 February 2013 - 05:45 PM

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Normal? So the others are abnormal?

Yes, not meeting the norm for marriage.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 07:00 AM

View PostRoderick, on 06 February 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

For Britain's sake one may hope that they will do what is right and stick up for the rights of all the normal people who are already married or contemplating marriage under the present laws.

Bad news.... everyone is normal, Rodders.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:01 AM

View Postscotto, on 07 February 2013 - 07:00 AM, said:

Bad news.... everyone is normal, Rodders.

Only some are more normal than others. :D
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:15 AM

View PostRoderick, on 06 February 2013 - 03:50 PM, said:

For Britain's sake one may hope that they will do what is right and stick up for the rights of all the normal people who are already married or contemplating marriage under the present laws.

What sort of crack do you need to smoke to get the impression that giving the same rights on a group of people is taking rights away from a group of people?
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:18 AM

FYI, Scientists (you know, the people your type shun and despise) have largely worked out what causes homosexuality, and thanks to that knowledge, we now know that your attitudes are the same bullshit ye olde timey wank that saw the subjugation of women for centuries.

Unless you are saying that women are not as normal? Because you are making the same argument. Its all based on genetics. Is that the path you want to go down?
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 09:33 AM

View PostRoderick, on 07 February 2013 - 09:01 AM, said:

Only some are more normal than others.

Only it might not be the people you think. :emot-sympathy:
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 12:42 PM

View Postscotto, on 07 February 2013 - 09:33 AM, said:

Only it might not be the people you think. :emot-sympathy:

Well, to clarify the discussion I don't think that homosexuals are normal people.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 01:09 PM

View PostRoderick, on 07 February 2013 - 12:42 PM, said:

Well, to clarify the discussion I don't think that homosexuals are normal people.

Ah. Well, you're wrong statistically. It is prevalent across all cultures and in fact species. So it's normal.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 02:38 PM

View Postscotto, on 07 February 2013 - 01:09 PM, said:

Ah. Well, you're wrong statistically. It is prevalent across all cultures and in fact species. So it's normal.

Oh, well. Murder is prevalent across all cultures but not species, so I guess that makes a difference.
Normalcy is a concept that can change with time, place and societal context.

Within the context of the society in which I move, homosexuality is considered abnormal, not conforming to the norm; and as for other species, then they cannot really be homosexual as 'homo' refers to man, not to apes, wolves, dogs or as is the case of my rooster deprived hens, the dominant hen that is assuming the rooster's role. She has a short life expectancy and is table bound.
Not that her tendencies are the problem but rather the physical damage that she is inflicting on the other hens.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 07:31 AM

I think murder is common in some species at least - lions taking over a pride will kill all the young from the previous boss...

Anyhow, even though gay men for example, rejoice in the label 'queer' at times, this does not make them abnormal.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 08:09 AM

View Postscotto, on 08 February 2013 - 07:31 AM, said:

I think murder is common in some species at least - lions taking over a pride will kill all the young from the previous boss...

Anyhow, even though gay men for example, rejoice in the label 'queer' at times, this does not make them abnormal.

Animals, other than man, cannot murder as murder is the unlawful killing of a human by another human. The example that you give of the lions is killing with no moral connotations because lions do not have the concept of morals.

Anyone who rejoices in the label 'queer' is not a normal homosexual ;)
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 10:38 AM

Holy shit, I have seen such pig ignorance for a damn long time. Its refreshing to see you come out and say that you are a fucking bigot though. Usually you have to trap people to admit the prejudices they hold close to their heart, but here you are, wearing em on your sleeve. Normally I would congratulate you on being so free and open, but nope, just another bigot who cant keep his fat trap shut like he should.

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and as for other species, then they cannot really be homosexual as 'homo' refers to man, not to apes, wolves, dogs or


Maybe you should tell the people that stufy this for a living that they are wrong when they refer to homosexuality in animals. Oh wait, you are just applying ye olde timey logic thats been outdated for decades to situations that we now know they just dont apply to.

http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/5838560
http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/4862020

Course, you wont do that will you. You wont realise that the ideas and notions you hold are abnormal, and wrong, and bad. You will continue on in your own little luddite bubble of ignorance and be blissfully happy.

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Anyone who rejoices in the label 'queer' is not a normal homosexual

Again, you are wrong. In many minority groups, reclaiming an offensive word is normal. See "nigger" in African Americans, the slutwalk phenomena in females and many other examples that you will pay exactly zero attention too, because you are a pig ignorant bigot.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:29 PM

Well, Frog, why not put it to the vote and ask the people of Australia, directly, what they think about re-defining marriage?
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:32 PM

View PostRoderick, on 07 February 2013 - 02:38 PM, said:

Within the context of the society in which I move, homosexuality is considered abnormal, not conforming to the norm;

You should get out more.

By the same standard, one would have to deny the right of marriage to anyone who would be labelled by someone else as "abnormal", including people with heights or weights outside the third standard deviation, the mentally retarded, anyone who is sterile, prisoners, the poor, the rich, people with very large noses or anyone else that does not conform to someone else's ideal of "normal". It's stupid and is unreasonable interference by the State into the private lives of consenting adults.

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and as for other species, then they cannot really be homosexual as 'homo' refers to man

Incorrect. In the word "homosexual", homo = same, from ancient Greek. Other related words - homogenous, homologous.
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Posted 08 February 2013 - 12:35 PM

View PostRoderick, on 08 February 2013 - 12:29 PM, said:

Well, Frog, why not put it to the vote and ask the people of Australia, directly, what they think about re-defining marriage?

Why should we do that, when the people of Australia were denied this right in 2004 when marriage was unilaterally redefined by the Howard government without a plebiscite?
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