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#61 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:13 PM

View Postscotto, on 13 February 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

Again, a discussion that has been had here at least a couple of times before. Opinion is known; we can safely act now.

Well were going to have a referendum on recognizing the Aborigines and TSI people as the First Australians; what a marvelous chance to decide the marriage issue, all for little more than some extra printer's ink.

Or are some people afraid of the outcome?
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#62 User is offline   scotto 

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:30 PM

View PostRoderick, on 13 February 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

Well were going to have a referendum on recognizing the Aborigines and TSI people as the First Australians; what a marvelous chance to decide the marriage issue, all for little more than some extra printer's ink.

Or are some people afraid of the outcome?

Again, a long-ago discussion regarding the outcomes of referenda and whether this is actually related to underlying opinion.

I'm not afraid of people marrying whoever they want - are you?
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#63 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:39 PM

View Postscotto, on 13 February 2013 - 01:30 PM, said:

Again, a long-ago discussion regarding the outcomes of referenda and whether this is actually related to underlying opinion.

I'm not afraid of people marrying whoever they want - are you?

Frankly, I couldn't care less, what I am afraid of is that the homosexual element of society will keep pushing until they reach the point of a rather vicious backlash.
Far better to have changes that affect everyone confirmed by asking everyone.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:48 PM

Okay, so it should be no problem. There will always be an ignorant elemant that wants to lash out about any change. That shouldn't stop us.

See you at the Mardi Gras.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 10:54 AM

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Just as chess requires players to seriously consider every possible consequence of their moves, we need to seriously consider every possible consequence of the push for same-sex marriage, especially for children.

In our sometimes misguided efforts to expand our freedom, selfish adults have systematically dismantled that which is most precious to children as they grow and develop. That’s why I am now speaking out against same-sex marriage.

By the way, I am gay.
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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:37 PM

Again, full of the usual generalisations, almost none pertaining to gay marriage.
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#67 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 01 April 2013 - 02:56 PM

View Postscotto, on 01 April 2013 - 02:37 PM, said:

Again, full of the usual generalisations, almost none pertaining to gay marriage.


Does this pertain?

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. . . . Nowhere on any marriage license application in any state are the applicants asked, “Do you love each other?” Yet this is the basis on which same-sex marriage proponents seek to change our laws. Is the state really in the business of celebrating our romantic lives?

The mantra I heard repeatedly in Minnesota was that “marriage is about love, commitment, and responsibility.” But these three things are not the state’s interests in marriage. Marriage, from the state’s perspective, is about kids. Period. That’s the reason the institution exists. We should tremble at and fear the notion of undoing it.

For a nation that has no trouble selfishly creating a seventeen-trillion-dollar (and growing) deficit it will soon hand off to its children and grandchildren, perhaps this is asking too much. But for the sake of all children and those yet to be born, we need to slow down and seriously consider the unintended consequences of undefining marriage. Otherwise, we risk treating our progeny as expendable pawns, sacrificed in the name of self-fulfillment. We can do better than that.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:48 AM

View PostRoderick, on 01 April 2013 - 02:56 PM, said:

Does this pertain?

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. . . . Nowhere on any marriage license application in any state are the applicants asked, “Do you love each other?” Yet this is the basis on which same-sex marriage proponents seek to change our laws. Is the state really in the business of celebrating our romantic lives?

The mantra I heard repeatedly in Minnesota was that “marriage is about love, commitment, and responsibility.” But these three things are not the state’s interests in marriage. Marriage, from the state’s perspective, is about kids. Period. That’s the reason the institution exists. We should tremble at and fear the notion of undoing it.

For a nation that has no trouble selfishly creating a seventeen-trillion-dollar (and growing) deficit it will soon hand off to its children and grandchildren, perhaps this is asking too much. But for the sake of all children and those yet to be born, we need to slow down and seriously consider the unintended consequences of undefining marriage. Otherwise, we risk treating our progeny as expendable pawns, sacrificed in the name of self-fulfillment. We can do better than that.

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The highlighted text is bullshit. Otherwise why allow heterosexual people to marry if they don't intend to have kids? Why allow post-menopausal women to marry? Why allow sterile people to marry? Why doesn't the state of Minnesota have mandatory fertility testing of marriage applicants to ensure the man can sire a child and the woman can pop out a state-mandated minimum number of children? Why doesn't the state have enforced sterility for unmarried people? Having children is not the goal of marriage and anyone that asserts otherwise is ignoring far too many inconvenient facts.

In fact no mandated requirement exists for any couple to conceive and raise children. A couple could choose to have no children. One or both members of a couple could be sterile. Post-menopausal women are allowed to marry anyone they choose, so long as they marry a male.

It's a really desperate and preposterous argument to assert that marriage is about children. It's also preposterous to assert that allowing homosexual marriage will somehow diminish the number of children that are born in other people's heterosexual marriages. It's not going to happen. Whether a homosexual couple are married or not is not ever going to affect the number of kids someone else has.

Despite the misinformation by homophobes in society, homosexuality is not a choice. It is a sexual preference. Homosexuals who are prevented from marrying will not magically change their sexual preferences to the opposite sex so they can marry.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:43 AM

So it's not pertinent.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 02:07 AM

Uruguay (the Switzerland of South America's) Congress approves gay marriage bill.


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Congress in Uruguay has voted overwhelmingly to legalise gay marriage, becoming the second country in Latin America to do so, after Argentina.


On the plus side though, a primitive local statute is changed for the better:

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And it also increases the age of consent for sexual relations to 16, from the current 12 for women and 14 for men.
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Posted 12 April 2013 - 03:22 PM

Time to rejoice that so many find marriage desirable!
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Posted 17 April 2013 - 08:12 PM

NZ legalises same-sex marriage

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New Zealand's parliament has passed marriage equality legislation, making it the first country in the Asia-Pacific region and the 13th country worldwide to legalise same-sex marriage.

The bill, which passed 77 votes to 44, redefines marriage as a union between two people, rather than a man and woman.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 06:35 AM

Égalité - now France:

Joy, anger as France legalises same-sex marriage

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The French parliament defied months of angry protests overnight as it approved a bill to make France the 14th country to legalise same-sex marriage.

The lower house of parliament, the National Assembly, voted 331 to 225 to adopt the bill, which allows homosexual marriages and adoptions by gay couples.
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Posted 24 April 2013 - 10:32 AM

Think this about sums it up.

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BTW congrats to NZ. I am a very proud Kiwi.
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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:31 AM

So many fallacious arguments, but all for the good of your cause smokey. This one of course belongs in Comedy & Media.
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Posted 25 April 2013 - 11:08 AM

This is the new add for the AME people. They want to make this an election issue in Sept.

http://www.youtube.c...d&v=oTRc47kFl24
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Posted 25 April 2013 - 01:41 PM

View Posticey, on 25 April 2013 - 01:31 AM, said:

So many fallacious arguments, but all for the good of your cause smokey.[/url].

Smokey's post parodies real fallacies that are perpetuated by opponents of gay marriage. The total lack of any sound arguments against marriage equality is the reason why it's becoming law in more and more places all over the world.

It will eventually become law in Australia. It's just a matter of when.
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Posted 26 April 2013 - 12:57 AM

View PostBam, on 25 April 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

Smokey's post parodies real fallacies that are perpetuated by opponents of gay marriage.


So the "Comedy & Media" section was the place to be. Not that I'm fussy, just choosing to make a point. And not much of the "real" fallacies where most are coming from. But they make a nice straw target sort of like a man.


View PostBam, on 25 April 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

The total lack of any sound arguments against marriage equality is the reason why it's becoming law in more and more places all over the world
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"Sound" arguments are surely judged such in the eyes of the beholder. Or to put it in my words, the "soundness" of the argument may be real to you, but it is not real to me.

View PostBam, on 25 April 2013 - 01:41 PM, said:

It will eventually become law in Australia. It's just a matter of when.


And so it goes historically with the rises and the falls.
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Posted 30 April 2013 - 10:35 AM

View Posticey, on 26 April 2013 - 12:57 AM, said:

"Sound" arguments are surely judged such in the eyes of the beholder. Or to put it in my words, the "soundness" of the argument may be real to you, but it is not real to me.

So what arguments against gay marriage are sound in your eyes?
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