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Libya/Bahrain/Yemen/Tunisia/Algeria... and Egypt popular uprising might completely change north Africa/Middle East

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Posted 21 February 2011 - 06:37 AM

What is the determining factor of the outcomes of these popular uprisings? Is it media attention and exposure? I think this is the determining factor in the current crop of revolts.
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Posted 21 February 2011 - 07:26 AM

Perhaps an unorthodox view, but I think the determining factor in recent days is US influence. Bahrain pulled back their military after a flurry of diplomatic activity behind the scenes. Libya, on the other hand, is free from outside interference and look what happened there!
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Posted 21 February 2011 - 11:17 AM

Well I guess it could be that in some senses Egpyt, Yemen and Bahrain feel like they've got an arse to cover for the US... whereas Gaddafi is unlikely to care a damn about them either way. So you'd be right from that point of view.

The more news makes it to the outside world though, the tougher it must be for them to maintain an internal stance - the Chinese seem to have been well aware of this for 50 years.
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Posted 21 February 2011 - 02:37 PM

After anti-government unrest spread to the Libyan capital and protesters seized military bases and weapons Sunday, Moammar Gadhafi's son went on state television to proclaim that his father remained in charge with the army's backing and would "fight until the last man, the last woman, the last bullet." Seif al-Islam Gadhafi, in the regime's first comments on the six days of demonstrations, warned the protesters that they risked igniting a civil war in which Libya's oil wealth "will be burned."


http://www.msnbc.msn...ideastn_africa/

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Posted 24 February 2011 - 03:14 PM

Indeed. I think really it might be wrong to suggest that outside media contact can cause an uprising, rather it is the people themselves that rise. Media reports can easily be a trigger, though.

In an unrelated area, what do you think of the media's holding back of the CIA connections of the 'diplomat' in Pakistan being held on two murder charges? I thought at the time of the first report that it must be pretty likely that this person was some sort of intelligence operative.. but all the media stayed mum at the request of the US government.
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Posted 25 February 2011 - 04:10 PM

Forget the nuances. This is the revolt of the people. Vive la revolution!
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 01:15 AM

Saudi Arabia has begun protesting. One of the Princes is warning of worse to come if immediate crowd pleasing reforms are not put forward. If Saudi Arabia goes into revolt it will cause mayhem at the petrol bowser. :o
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 01:15 AM

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Posted 27 February 2011 - 05:37 AM

View PostEpicurus, on 27 February 2011 - 01:15 AM, said:

Saudi Arabia has begun protesting. One of the Princes is warning of worse to come if immediate crowd pleasing reforms are not put forward. If Saudi Arabia goes into revolt it will cause mayhem at the petrol bowser. :o

You're right... the Saudi royal family have released $35B in social cushioning - unemployment and housing being the big targets. Think it will save them?
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 05:59 AM

The uprising in northern Africa and Middle East is people driven without doubt. But I think that some of the uprisings have been fuelled by the fact that people in surrounding countries have started to revolt. The media has played a part but probably more for Western media consumers benefit than for the benefit of the people in the countries that have started an uprising.
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Posted 27 February 2011 - 08:29 AM

View Postscotto, on 27 February 2011 - 05:37 AM, said:

You're right... the Saudi royal family have released $35B in social cushioning - unemployment and housing being the big targets. Think it will save them?


Yes I do. And you left out the offer to produce 4 million more barrels of oil a day. Which should soften the impact at the bowser as the Saudi's are the swing producers of oil supply.
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 01:17 PM

View PostSenexx, on 27 February 2011 - 08:29 AM, said:

Yes I do. And you left out the offer to produce 4 million more barrels of oil a day. Which should soften the impact at the bowser as the Saudi's are the swing producers of oil supply.

Actually I'd missed that news. But interesting still. Also, the Saudis years ago gave over their country to Wahabism in return for political power, give rise to Bin Laden and Al Queda as a consequence, now they find themselves trying to buy off the people... somewhat ironic, no?
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Posted 01 March 2011 - 03:34 PM

It's here: http://blogs.ft.com/...utput-official/
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Posted 08 March 2011 - 10:04 AM

So..... do we think that the UN/NATO/AU will get behind a no-fly zone? Intereting for the AU as supposedly there are mercenaries hired from other African nations fighting for Gadaffi.
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Posted 08 March 2011 - 02:24 PM

I doubt it. The logistical problems are immense,the Russians/Chinese don't like the idea and the AU is split.
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Posted 09 March 2011 - 12:07 PM

Yes that's the picture I have of it too. Any no fly zone will be a NATO exercise enabled by an UN resolution, although of course all the work will be in preventing a veto of this in the security council by Russia or China. China did go so far as to support initial condemnation of Gaddafi's actions did they not? Or was that in relation to Mubarek in Egypt? ... I've lost track.
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 10:05 AM

View Postscotto, on 27 February 2011 - 05:37 AM, said:

You're right... the Saudi royal family have released $35B in social cushioning - unemployment and housing being the big targets. Think it will save them?


No... I don't think anything will save them. The whole region is destabilizing and Iran will take advantage of that and gain their much sort after prize.. Persian Primacy. The US continues to remove itself from Iraq having failed to insert a stable pro American govt. The US senatorial will to persist in maintaining a large military presence in that region waned long ago.

Persia is on the rise again.
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 03:30 PM

Iran is the winner in all of this; Israel is the loser. But I am still not convinced that the Revolution is a fait accompli.
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Posted 11 March 2011 - 06:11 PM

View PostMarat, on 11 March 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

Iran is the winner in all of this; Israel is the loser. But I am still not convinced that the Revolution is a fait accompli.


Speaking of winners & losers, here's one loser still rather too conspicuously in the game ....

Gillard, Rudd at odds on Libya

''He's out of control!" said an advisor.

Julia is reportedly talking about Libya with the UN's "Spanky Banky" but diplomatic Rudd may not have been a part of those conversations.

And I am reminded of ex Minister Stephen Smith saying tht a PM and a Foreign Affairs Minister should not have a crack of light (or was it a cigarette paper) between them. As the SMH's Gillard leaning Phillip Coorey put it, "in the case of Julia Gillard, Kevin Rudd and Libya, you could stuff a whole tobacco pouch"
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Posted 13 March 2011 - 07:51 PM

View PostMarat, on 11 March 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

Iran is the winner in all of this; Israel is the loser. But I am still not convinced that the Revolution is a fait accompli.


Agreed. Saudi Arabia sees the writing on the wall and is policing their muslim minority in ways we westerners protest against in Lybia. I have not heard the US speak out against the Saudi's for their heavy handed approach.
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