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Sea Shepherd et al are pirates and Cap'n Bob Brown be one too

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Posted 28 February 2013 - 12:24 AM

http://www.abc.net.a...pirates/4543370

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"When you ram ships, hurl glass containers of acid, drag metal-reinforced ropes in the water to damage propellers and rudders, launch smoke bombs and flares with hooks; and point high-powered lasers at other ships, you are, without a doubt, a pirate," he said.



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LEIGH SALES: So we should all take the law into our own hands when we don't think the Government or the council are acting sufficiently. I should go out tonight and let some tyres down and break some windscreens of people who are parking illegally.

BOB BROWN: Well that's what the Japanese are doing, Leigh, and I don't recommend you do it. But as a citizen, if you see the law being broken, you, like any policeman, have a duty, I believe, certainly a right, to apprehend that law breaker and to prevent the law being broken. That's part of common law.


US court declares Sea Shepherd pirates

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"When you ram ships, hurl glass containers of acid, drag metal-reinforced ropes in the water to damage propellers and rudders, launch smoke bombs and flares with hooks; and point high-powered lasers at other ships, you are, without a doubt, a pirate," he said.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 07:05 AM

Indeed, that is what the Japanese are doing with their whaling, as well as a large number of other illegal fishing ventures around the world that Sea Shepherd have campaigned against.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 10:05 AM

I always enjoyed good vigilante style movies like Charles Bronson's Death Wish series.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:05 AM

View Posticey, on 28 February 2013 - 10:05 AM, said:

I always enjoyed good vigilante style movies like Charles Bronson's Death Wish series.

I guess... but what did the whales ever do to Japan?
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:45 AM

So it appears Scotto that you care nought for the United States Court of Appeals ruling, nor indeed for Australian authorities.

USCA said:

"Whatever the status of Cetacean's whaling under Australian law, it gives Sea Shepherd no license to engage in piracy. It is for Australia, not Sea Shepherd, to police Australia's court orders."


Paul Kersey said:

Nothing to do but cut and run, huh? What else? What about the old American social custom of self-defense? If the police don't defend us, maybe we ought to do it ourselves.


"Aye aye Cap'n Bob"

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A trial later this year will determine whether Sea Shepherd should face an asset freeze under the International Convention for the Suppression of the Financing of Terrorism.
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Posted 28 February 2013 - 11:47 AM

Apparently scotto is not aware of the 'code of conduct' that everyone in the country is subject to - the law.

:emot-roflolmao:
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 08:35 AM

Icey, why have you made no comment about the whaling activities? Do you condone the killing of whales, the alleged piracy and other dubious activities of the Japanese whaling fleet?

You do know that the allegations of piracy aren't all one way? Are you aware that the whaling fleet itself sometimes engages in activities that endanger other vessels?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:12 AM

View Posticey, on 28 February 2013 - 11:47 AM, said:

Apparently scotto is not aware of the 'code of conduct' that everyone in the country is subject to - the law.

Totally meaningless post, Icey, and it points to a post that I think you yourself have failed to comment on. Get some meaning, big guy.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:14 AM

View Posticey, on 28 February 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

So it appears Scotto that you care nought for the United States Court of Appeals ruling, nor indeed for Australian authorities.

Picking out the information from the gibberish in your post, I am able to say that yes, I think that the Japanese are manipulating legal processes to aid their unlawful poaching of whales. This is a very common view around the world and not at all limited to members of the Sea Shepherd Society.

You'd do well to make some comment about the whaling itself, Icey, and your view of it, rather than make vague comments referring in some cases to posts not even made in this thread.

I have no idea what your reference to "Australian authorities" means.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

View PostBam, on 01 March 2013 - 08:35 AM, said:

Icey, why have you made no comment about the whaling activities?


I've no problem in principle with sustainable whaling. Never tried eating whale meat but would be up for it if it was on offer. Same with the horse meat that's been in the news of late.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 10:31 AM

View Postscotto, on 01 March 2013 - 10:14 AM, said:

I have no idea what your reference to "Australian authorities" means.


This refers to those appointed to uphold Australian law, for example, the federal police and the courts.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 11:52 AM

View Posticey, on 01 March 2013 - 10:31 AM, said:

This refers to those appointed to uphold Australian law, for example, the federal police and the courts.

And they pertain to this conversation how?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:14 PM

View Postscotto, on 01 March 2013 - 11:52 AM, said:

And they pertain to this conversation how?


The US court of appeal made specific reference to the Australian authorities to be the ones to uphold Australian law (if indeed any was broken). The Shepherd galahs are not a recognised authority by any measure.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:24 PM

The Japanese would be completely justified in turning their harpoon guns on any ship that attempts to ram or board them, and put a few holes below the waterline of that ship.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:40 PM

View Posticey, on 01 March 2013 - 12:14 PM, said:

The US court of appeal made specific reference to the Australian authorities to be the ones to uphold Australian law (if indeed any was broken). The Shepherd galahs are not a recognised authority by any measure.

If any were broken. Got a list?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 12:41 PM

View PostRoderick, on 01 March 2013 - 12:24 PM, said:

The Japanese would be completely justified in turning their harpoon guns on any ship that attempts to ram or board them, and put a few holes below the waterline of that ship.

That is not correct, Rodders, and you know it.

You'd say that the Sea Shepherd ships would be justified in doing the same to the Japanese ships that have rammed them in the past?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:08 PM

View Postscotto, on 01 March 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

That is not correct, Rodders, and you know it.

You'd say that the Sea Shepherd ships would be justified in doing the same to the Japanese ships that have rammed them in the past?

Sea Shepherd ships have only ever been rammed when they got into dangerous proximity to the Japanese ships, so they would not be justified in doing anything.

The Japanese would be perfectly justified in doing anything necessary to repel attack or boarding by an unauthorized vessel.
To run up within a few feet of another vessel at sea indicates either intent to board or to cause willful damage, or a vessel not in competent command.

The Captain of the Sea Shepherd vessel that ran dangerously between the Japanese vessels as recently seen on TV should have his ticket cancelled.
Whatever the motivation he is not fit to command.

The naming of one of their ships "Steve Irwin" is entirely appropriate.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:18 PM

View PostRoderick, on 01 March 2013 - 01:08 PM, said:

Sea Shepherd ships have only ever been rammed when they got into dangerous proximity to the Japanese ships, so they would not be justified in doing anything.

The Japanese would be perfectly justified in doing anything necessary to repel attack or boarding by an unauthorized vessel.
To run up within a few feet of another vessel at sea indicates either intent to board or to cause willful damage, or a vessel not in competent command.

Japanese ships have done this to Sea Shepherd ships in the past. If you want to ignore that, go ahead.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:37 PM

I support the whales not the dishonesty of specious Japanese claims and the manufacture of a mythical culture. The Japanese don't like whale, they don't eat it and they don't revere it.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:49 PM

View PostGeorgeParsons, on 01 March 2013 - 01:37 PM, said:

I support the whales not the dishonesty of specious Japanese claims and the manufacture of a mythical culture. The Japanese don't like whale, they don't eat it and they don't revere it.

Damn true. It's all a myth blown up out of nothing to support this action. Mainly I think it's the Japanese government playing to the home audience. Meanwhile in Japan, stockpiles of whale meat go uneaten and whistleblowers exposing the theft of whale meat for sale on the black market are put in prison.

Oh, and money for the rehabilitation of victims of the tsunami goes towards refitting whaling ships that operate at a loss.
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