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#21 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 01 March 2013 - 01:56 PM

View Postscotto, on 01 March 2013 - 01:18 PM, said:

Japanese ships have done this to Sea Shepherd ships in the past. If you want to ignore that, go ahead.

Cite, please.
I don't recall any Japanese ships deliberately ramming anyone's ships.
I do recollect dangerous and decidedly unseamanlike ship handling by those opposed to the Japanese whaling.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:14 PM

View PostRoderick, on 01 March 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Cite, please.
I don't recall any Japanese ships deliberately ramming anyone's ships.
I do recollect dangerous and decidedly unseamanlike ship handling by those opposed to the Japanese whaling.

No, you just don't want to see it. Sea shepherd ships have repeatedly stated that they have been rammed, the most recently in the last week. Have there been any rulings that they were at fault in these cases?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 02:34 PM

No rulings, I guess.
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 03:42 PM

View Postscotto, on 01 March 2013 - 02:14 PM, said:

No, you just don't want to see it. Sea shepherd ships have repeatedly stated that they have been rammed, the most recently in the last week. Have there been any rulings that they were at fault in these cases?

Where have they stated it?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 06:57 PM

View Postscotto, on 01 March 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

If any were broken. Got a list?


Speaking of rulings, you might have a list of them in relation to the alluded to list of laws broken?
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Posted 01 March 2013 - 09:02 PM

View Postscotto, on 01 March 2013 - 02:34 PM, said:

No rulings, I guess.

You ever done any sea time. Scotto?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 08:28 AM

View PostRoderick, on 01 March 2013 - 01:56 PM, said:

Cite, please.
I don't recall any Japanese ships deliberately ramming anyone's ships.
I do recollect dangerous and decidedly unseamanlike ship handling by those opposed to the Japanese whaling.


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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:10 AM

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Not in the least bit conclusive, the black boat appears to be under way and continues across the bows of the Japanese ship which appears to turn towards the black boat but may actually be trying to avoid it.
A bow on shot is not the best angle to determine events.
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 09:23 AM

View PostRoderick, on 02 March 2013 - 09:10 AM, said:

Not in the least bit conclusive, the black boat appears to be under way and continues across the bows of the Japanese ship which appears to turn towards the black boat but may actually be trying to avoid it.
A bow on shot is not the best angle to determine events.



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Posted 02 March 2013 - 10:20 AM

Très drôle, HDMC, but short sightedness could also be used as a metaphor for selective accessing of videos.
Collusion

Note that the white water in the wake of the black trimaran suddenly increases as it accelerates to get in front of the bow/hit the Japanese vessel.
A seaman wishing to avoid collision would have reversed to pull away from the larger vessel.

How much sea time have you had?
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Posted 02 March 2013 - 05:16 PM

SBS news just now showed footage of the black tri cutting dangerously close under tho bows of a Japanese ship, quite unlawful and dangerously un-seamanlike behaviour; unprofessional to the point of being criminally responsible for any mishap.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 05:23 AM

View PostRoderick, on 02 March 2013 - 10:20 AM, said:

Très drôle, HDMC, but short sightedness could also be used as a metaphor for selective accessing of videos.
Collusion

Note that the white water in the wake of the black trimaran suddenly increases as it accelerates to get in front of the bow/hit the Japanese vessel.
A seaman wishing to avoid collision would have reversed to pull away from the larger vessel.

How much sea time have you had?



Just because you can dance the hornpipe doesn't mean I'm not entitled to an opinion, Popeye.


A seaman wishing to avoid a collision would not have altered course toward the Ady Gil, either. Without that action the two vessels wouldn't have been within a bull's roar of each other. Or is that a whale's cry?
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 06:56 AM

Of course you are entitled to an opinion, everyone is entitled to err.

In my opinion the Japanese ship, in the first video alters course toward the Ady Gil in order to give the tri more time to safely cross her bows.
By comparison the Ady Gil is very fast and very handy and had it not been for the actions of the skipper of that vessel then the two vessels would not have been close enough for 'proximity' to have been used.

The collision did not sink the Ady Gil directly as it was afloat for some time and under tow when it was allegedly ordered to be scuttled for added publicity.

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According to TMZ, a new lawsuit claims Paul Watson, star of the Animal Planet series, lied about the fate of his ship, telling media that it sank after a run in with Japanese whalers. The ship’s owner Ady Gil alleges Watson actually ordered for the ship to be sunk in order to create publicity.

The lawsuit, filed yesterday in a Los Angeles Superior Court, claims that while the ship—also named Ady Gil--- was indeed struck by a Japanese whaling boat, the damage could have been repaired, however Watson sabotaged the boat in order to amp up the publicity.

Gil claims Watson’s motive was to spur outrage over the ship’s sinking and urge people to donate to his anti-whaling organization.

Gil alleges he only allowed Watson to use his ship for “Whale Wars” under the condition that Watson keeps it in the best condition possible. Now, Gil is suing for $5 million saying the destruction of the boat violated their agreement.


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This is but another example of a "Green" group breaking the law and lying.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:11 AM

Oh, I see.

To avoid a collision with a stationary vessel you turn toward that vessel and deploy water cannons.

He was only being polite, like.

"You first"

"No, after you"
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:32 AM

View PostHDMC, on 03 March 2013 - 07:11 AM, said:

Oh, I see.

To avoid a collision with a stationary vessel you turn toward that vessel and deploy water cannons.

He was only being polite, like.

"You first"

"No, after you"

In the first video the Ady Gil is not stationary but is under way and then accelerates towards the whaler, look at the wake of the Ady Gil and the increase in turbulent white water as she powers forward.

Of course the Japanese skipper is also at fault, he underestimated the stupidity of his opponent.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 07:44 AM

View PostRoderick, on 03 March 2013 - 07:32 AM, said:

In the first video the Ady Gil is not stationary but is under way and then accelerates towards the whaler, look at the wake of the Ady Gil and the increase in turbulent white water as she powers forward.

Of course the Japanese skipper is also at fault, he underestimated the stupidity of his opponent.



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A wake is the region of recirculating flow immediately behind a moving or
stationary
solid body, caused by the flow of surrounding fluid around the body.


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More telling in my (admittedly landlubber's) opinion is the absence of any bow wave.
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Posted 03 March 2013 - 08:09 AM

View PostHDMC, on 03 March 2013 - 07:44 AM, said:

-Wiki



More telling in my (admittedly landlubber's) opinion is the absence of any bow wave.


Bow wave is caused by the displacement of water by a moving vessel and does not 'break' or become readily apparent until certain conditions of speed and displacement are reached, on the other hand wake turbulence due to acceleration becomes apparent as soon as power is applied to the propellers/other in water means.
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