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Governing or campaigning The campaign has begun, right?

#1 User is offline   icey 

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Posted 09 March 2013 - 08:52 PM

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"I do not do so to start the nation's longest election campaign. Quite the opposite, it should be clear to all which are the days of governing and which are the days of campaigning."


If it is about governing, woe betide us when the actual campaign begins

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But while Ms Gillard's dining engagements were restricted to private dinners with mummy-bloggers, Mr Abbott had lunch yesterday at Penrith Panthers with his daughters, 2GB broadcaster Ray Hadley and friends from his days at Emu Plains as trainee priest.


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During her only opportunity to walk among non-handpicked voters during her western Sydney tour, Ms Gillard was hugged by Iraqi refugee, Nadia Youseff, who was delirious at the chance meeting.

"I love her so much when I saw her, all my body was shaking," she said.

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Posted 10 March 2013 - 07:16 AM

View Posticey, on 09 March 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:




Every Abbott doorstop, every visit to a business since 17days past 2010 has been electioneering.


As an aside Abbott may want to rethink the company he keeps.

From your link...

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Mr Abbott had lunch yesterday at Penrith Panthers with his daughters, 2GB broadcaster Ray Hadley and friends from his days at Emu Plains as trainee priest.


From the SMH.....

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Ray Hadley picked on the wrong guy. Fed up with the radio host's constant bullying and physical threats, Mark Piepers did a rare thing: he stood up.

When Hadley threatened Piepers physically, the imposing broadcaster must have thought he had an easy target.





Then there's this...

http://wixxyleaks.co...reatest-luxury/

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According to those who witnessed the event, the 17-year-old youth, who admitted to being intoxicated, was drunk and struggling to get to his feet making him not a threat to anybody. Daniel Hadley arrived at approximately 1.30am with some other off duty cops and a chip on his shoulder sized to match his father’s apparent ego. Daniel and his mates had reportedly being out drinking all night at the nearby Hills Tavern.

Ray and Daniel decided that the intoxicated youth should leave the premises and along with two other off duty police, one the female officer, went to escort him from property. According to witnesses it is alleged that while the boy was struggling to rise to his feet Daniel Hadley kicked the boy in his face. When the boy rose to his feet to a face-full of abuse, witnesses state he was punched in the back of the head by the only man at the party with the guts to hit a 17 year-old who could hardly stand from behind, Ray Hadley. He was then apparently hoisted up by the back of his shirt and dragged out the front gate whilst continuing to be verbally abused.





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Posted 10 March 2013 - 08:27 AM

I agree that Abbott has been electioneering for a long time and good on him, it's working a treat.

However, you're off topic as Gillard's claim (promise?) that "it should be clear to all which are the days of governing and which are the days of campaigning" is central to the thread.

And there lies the simple question; is she campaigning or is she governing?
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:25 AM

Isn't this a non-issue? Politicians,by their very nature, are always campaigning. There is no difference between the parties.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:36 AM

View Posticey, on 10 March 2013 - 08:27 AM, said:

I agree that Abbott has been electioneering for a long time and good on him, it's working a treat.


It has indeed. Mainly due to an uncritical media

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However, you're off topic as Gillard's claim (promise?) that "it should be clear to all which are the days of governing and which are the days of campaigning" is central to the thread.


I know. That's why I used the words "as an aside"

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And there lies the simple question; is she campaigning or is she governing?


Both. Competent people can multi-task.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 09:37 AM

View PostGeorgeParsons, on 10 March 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

Isn't this a non-issue? Politicians,by their very nature, are always campaigning. There is no difference between the parties.


Never a truer word, George.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 11:17 AM

View PostGeorgeParsons, on 10 March 2013 - 09:25 AM, said:

Isn't this a non-issue? Politicians,by their very nature, are always campaigning. There is no difference between the parties.


It is a relatively minor issue as after her election announcement about "clear days of governing", most treat the Root Hill "meet the people" excursion as a joke anyway.

HDMC said:

icey said:

And there lies the simple question; is she campaigning or is she governing?



Both. Competent people can multi-task.


Non-responsive answer. We're talking about the worst prime minister Australia has ever had, and that's no hyperbowl.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 12:32 PM

View Posticey, on 10 March 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

Non-responsive answer. We're talking about the worst prime minister Australia has ever had, and that's no hyperbowl.

How soon you forget McMahon the Indecisive.
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Posted 10 March 2013 - 02:00 PM

View PostBam, on 10 March 2013 - 12:32 PM, said:

How soon you forget McMahon the Indecisive.


How quickly I forget? Were you even born when he left office (or even while he was alive for that matter)?

Interesting to look at skewed opinions on prime minsterial rankings. I liked the following balanced study:


JWS research, in May 2011 polled 2141 people in the 10 most marginal Labor seats and the 10 most marginal Coalition seats.

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Asked which, of the past five, had been the best government for Australia ?

  • 50 per cent nominated the Howard government, followed by
  • 13 per cent for the Keating government,
  • 13 per cent for the Hawke government,
  • 12 per cent for the Rudd government,
  • 8 per cent were unsure and, bringing up the rear, were the
  • 4 per cent who nominated the Gillard government.



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Posted 17 March 2013 - 05:52 PM

Its Gillard the Liar doing what she does best (as well as pretty much all the time)... LIE.

she states she will be governing, not campaigning and then a week later heads off on a 5 day CAMPAIGN.

The woman lies about everything. I doubt the election is on Sept 14. That would assume she was telling the truth and that is simply not a likely outcome.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:32 PM

View Postlongweekend58, on 17 March 2013 - 05:52 PM, said:

Its Gillard the Liar doing what she does best (as well as pretty much all the time)... LIE.

Gillard's not as big a liar when compared to the unscripted Abbott.

You say Gillard tells so many lies? OK then. Name ten different ones, with citations.
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Posted 18 March 2013 - 11:18 PM

View PostBam, on 18 March 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

Gillard's not as big a liar when compared to the unscripted Abbott.

You say Gillard tells so many lies? OK then. Name ten different ones, with citations.


Yeh yeh! What's with the strident citation request? The lies are evident to all and sundry and cut'n'paste is cheap.

I do like the quantum of the target. Ten. One lie anyone might forgive. Two, three or four ... whatever.

The benchmark for lying significance is apparently "ten".

10,

I say twelve.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 05:30 AM

View Posticey, on 18 March 2013 - 11:18 PM, said:

Yeh yeh! What's with the strident citation request? The lies are evident to all and sundry and cut'n'paste is cheap.

I do like the quantum of the target. Ten. One lie anyone might forgive. Two, three or four ... whatever.

The benchmark for lying significance is apparently "ten".

10,

I say twelve.

So you're not actually able to provide this information. Why not just say so? No need to twist and turn more than a hooked barramundi.

And another thing, why is it only alleged lies from Gillard that are bad, but we must ignore Abbott's numerous lies and fight to allow News Limited to keep telling outright lies to the public?
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 07:45 AM

View PostBam, on 19 March 2013 - 05:30 AM, said:

So you're not actually able to provide this information. Why not just say so? No need to twist and turn more than a hooked barramundi.

And another thing, why is it only alleged lies from Gillard that are bad, but we must ignore Abbott's numerous lies and fight to allow News Limited to keep telling outright lies to the public?



Let's not forget ol' Non-Core John here.

The bloke Abbott says he would model his own government on.
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:12 AM

View PostBam, on 18 March 2013 - 07:32 PM, said:

Gillard's not as big a liar when compared to the unscripted Abbott.

You say Gillard tells so many lies? OK then. Name ten different ones, with citations.


There will be no carbon tax
I will be governing not campaigning
I have not offered Bob Car the job of foregin minister
We will not alter the private health rebate
we will have a budget surplus

only the last is defensible as it wasnt under her control. the rest were simply lies told because she has trouble with truth
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Posted 19 March 2013 - 11:17 AM

with citations
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 07:09 AM

View PostNotFrogman, on 19 March 2013 - 11:17 AM, said:

with citations


when you provide citations for EVERY fact you ever claim. You can start with a citation for the notion that the earth orbits the ssun and then a citation that you actually exist and are not a bot.

or is it just perhaps possible that we can stipulate to some facts that are well known and accepted?? like the carbon tax question?
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 09:51 AM

View Postlongweekend58, on 21 March 2013 - 07:09 AM, said:

when you provide citations for EVERY fact you ever claim. You can start with a citation for the notion that the earth orbits the ssun and then a citation that you actually exist and are not a bot.

or is it just perhaps possible that we can stipulate to some facts that are well known and accepted?? like the carbon tax question?

Given you hardly ever provide citations at all, even when asked to do so, you are in no position to be preaching to others on this topic.

If a citation is asked for, it's because it is not "well known and accepted". Provision of citations also keeps discussions honest and accountable.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:01 AM

View PostBam, on 21 March 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

Provision of citations also keeps discussions honest and accountable.

Hence why right wing miscreants very rarely like to give them.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 10:35 AM

View Postlongweekend58, on 19 March 2013 - 11:12 AM, said:

There will be no carbon tax
I will be governing not campaigning
I have not offered Bob Car the job of foregin minister
We will not alter the private health rebate
we will have a budget surplus

Hardly a compelling list, is it?

Abbott is a far more profligate liar. He has lied about the following particulars, and this is just a short list that can be made much longer:
  • Abbott lied about not increasing the Medicare safety net.
  • Abbott lied to the AEC about the purpose of a slush fund he created.
  • Abbott lied about the effect of the carbon tax, several times. One example is Abbott falsely claiming that Alcoa's review of the Point Henry aluminium smelter to the carbon tax, when the managing director of Alcoa specifically denied this, attributing the review to other factors such as the high Australian dollar, and while Alcoa receives industry compensation for the carbon tax.
  • Abbott lied about having his budget figures audited properly in 2010.
  • Abbott lied when he said that the Federal Government was responsible for OH&S failures in relation to the installation of home insulation.
  • Abbott lied about waste with the BER (yet has sent Liberal MPs to the openings of some of these buildings).
  • Abbott lied when he said that the refugee processing centre in Nauru could be reopened immediately.
  • Abbott lied about the ability of the current minority government to function.
  • Abbott lied about providing funding to Sharples in legal action against One Nation.
  • Abbott lied about meeting George Pell during the 2004 election campaign.

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    TONY JONES: Tony Abbott on another matter, have you met Archbishop Pell during the election campaign?
    TONY ABBOTT: Not that I can recall.
    TONY JONES: Not that you can recall, because we believe that you've had at least one meeting with him quite recently? You don't recall that?
    TONY ABBOTT: Well, when? Where?
    TONY JONES: At the presbytery in Sydney.
    TONY ABBOTT: Ah, actually now that you do mention it, I did met with Cardinal Pell.
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