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#1 User is offline   dumbcluck 

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 12:53 PM

I've been reading your comments on the religions in my post 'Religious Child Abuse" and I note Roderick commented that the religions forgive as distinct from the state.
I am sorry to diappoint Roderick but to claim this is quite incorrect. I do not know about other religions but I grew up in a strict Roman Catholic family (rosary every night) and went to Christian Brothers Catholic School and we were taught that death and the afterlife is quite complicated and that there were three options available for the faithful as the following:
1) If a new born infant dies prior to being baptized s/he is destined as punishment to a place called Limbo not heaven. From the description of this location in religious instruction it consists of deep darkness. You can imagine the poor infant under these circumstances when it was not even his/her fault s/he was not baptized
2) If a person who had not attended confession and obtained absolution from his/her venial sin/s dies s/he is destined as punishment but,temporarily, to a place called Purgatory for a period and depending on the number of indulgences obtained during life he/she will ascend into heaven
3) However if a person who had not attended confession and obtained absolution from his/her mortal and/ or cardinal sin/s prior to dying is destined as punishment and permanently to hell.
This in fact is a much worse destiny than that as meted out as punishment by the state.
With the abolition of capital punishment all the wrongdoer has to look forward to is gaol time and if lucky a period out on parole
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#2 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 01 October 2013 - 01:34 PM

Better touch up on your theology :lol:
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Posted 03 October 2013 - 12:39 PM

The Roman Catholic Church by these teachings are showing that God is one of the cruelist and evil masters in existence..much worse than Hitler
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Posted 04 October 2013 - 07:42 AM

View Postdumbcluck, on 03 October 2013 - 12:39 PM, said:

The Roman Catholic Church by these teachings are showing that God is one of the cruelist and evil masters in existence..much worse than Hitler


As I said, brush up, you're out of date.

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Vatican commission: Limbo reflects 'restrictive view of salvation'

By John Thavis
Catholic News Service

VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- After several years of study, the Vatican's International Theological Commission said there are good reasons to hope that babies who die without being baptized go to heaven.

In a document published April 20, the commission said the traditional concept of limbo -- as a place where unbaptized infants spend eternity but without communion with God -- seemed to reflect an "unduly restrictive view of salvation."

The church continues to teach that, because of original sin, baptism is the ordinary way of salvation for all people and urges parents to baptize infants, the document said.

But there is greater theological awareness today that God is merciful and "wants all human beings to be saved," it said. Grace has priority over sin, and the exclusion of innocent babies from heaven does not seem to reflect Christ's special love for "the little ones," it said.

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 01:14 AM

But what is this 'change of heart' Roderick? We were also taught that the Pope's dictates are infallible.....which means once they are uttered, they cannot be changed. Now they are contradicting this as well.
And what about hell. Today it remains that if you die with mortal sin on your soul you go permanently straight to hell. How is that in suffering as imposed by God eh? Not even Hitler thought that up as it least he used to kill you outright
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Posted 05 October 2013 - 07:00 AM

The Pope's dictates are not infallible and such has never been Church teaching, your memory is proving fallible.
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Posted 05 October 2013 - 09:16 AM

So what you are saying is that if the Pope says that God exists....then he could be wrong....and God does not exist?
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Posted 05 October 2013 - 11:28 AM

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So what you are saying is that if the Pope says that God exists....then he could be wrong....and God does not exist?

He could indeed, but not if he was speaking ex cathedra.
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Posted 05 October 2013 - 05:49 PM

Listen Rod old boy stop playing with semantics.... is he correct when he says that God exists....or could he be wrong?
When people like in this instance for example start playing with semantics even when to "show off" that they are perhaps "bush theologians" there is something wrong. I like straight answers Rod old boy....and in English where people can understand
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Posted 05 October 2013 - 09:08 PM

View Postdumbcluck, on 05 October 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

Listen Rod old boy stop playing with semantics.... is he correct when he says that God exists....or could he be wrong?
When people like in this instance for example start playing with semantics even when to "show off" that they are perhaps "bush theologians" there is something wrong. I like straight answers Rod old boy....and in English where people can understand

DC, as you didn't pay strict attention to your teachers and thus have gotten into a theological muddle then all that I can recommend for your plight is that you use Google.
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Posted 19 October 2013 - 08:19 AM

So you are trying to get out of it eh? Can't you answer my question? Just because I got bad sciatica (probably through weather complications i.e. climate change ) does not mean I am effected mentally.
I am as a "bush theologian" as others my friends. I know about all the saints....for example did you know that St Leonard is the protector of pregnant women and also the patron saint of prisoners (in gaol that is)?
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:20 PM

View Postdumbcluck, on 19 October 2013 - 08:19 AM, said:

So you are trying to get out of it eh? Can't you answer my question? Just because I got bad sciatica (probably through weather complications i.e. climate change ) does not mean I am effected mentally.
I am as a "bush theologian" as others my friends. I know about all the saints....for example did you know that St Leonard is the protector of pregnant women and also the patron saint of prisoners (in gaol that is)?

DC,

I answered your 'clever' question and if you don't know what ' ex cathedra' means then go to
New Advent.
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