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#61 User is offline   icey 

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Posted 28 July 2011 - 02:51 PM

View PostSenexx, on 28 July 2011 - 01:51 PM, said:

I love how I can bring economics into this, we went off the gold standard in 1934 Icey, and we went off the de facto gold standard (bretton woods) in the 70s - so the gold standard is outdated, outmoded and the primary cause of recessions. If we relate that back to the concept of marriage instead of using an analogy, recession in this case would be mental depression.

Therefore...well nevermind, what comes next is self-evident.


I wasn't attempting to prompt your digression into economics Senexx, but rather used the term to indicate "excellence" in accordance with what I now see are the two #2 definitions at FreeDictionary.

Perhaps to continue in your vein I should concede that it is now argued that the "gold standard" is no longer the gold standard it once was.
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Posted 29 July 2011 - 08:09 AM

View Posticey, on 28 July 2011 - 02:51 PM, said:

Perhaps to continue in your vein I should concede that it is now argued that the "gold standard" is no longer the gold standard it once was.

Yup... them thar Kristian Values ain't what they used to be....
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Posted 29 July 2011 - 09:10 AM

View Postscotto, on 29 July 2011 - 08:09 AM, said:

Yup... them thar Kristian Values ain't what they used to be....


Incorrect. The values remain the same, but as we all know, societal standards have dropped.

What's with the yankee twang by the way?
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Posted 29 July 2011 - 10:47 AM

View Posticey, on 29 July 2011 - 09:10 AM, said:

Incorrect. The values remain the same, but as we all know, societal standards have dropped.

What's with the yankee twang by the way?

I don't think the values are the same uniformly, at all. It's a pity that many decent christians are given a bad name by a number of whacky Christians.

I'll explain the twang thang some other time.
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 09:35 AM

There are bad apples in any barrel, but this pair certainly don't help their cause.

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A SIX-year-old boy placed in the care of a lesbian foster couple was dressed in girl's clothes and the humiliating pictures were posted on the couple's Facebook page.


I find it surprising that the first names of the children have been published by the way.
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Posted 12 September 2011 - 10:14 AM

View Posticey, on 12 September 2011 - 09:35 AM, said:

There are bad apples in any barrel, but this pair certainly don't help their cause.



I find it surprising that the first names of the children have been published by the way.

What a pair of shitheads ripe for the mulch pile.

I think the name used was a pseudonym [?] only.
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Posted 10 October 2011 - 06:54 AM

We find this topic bubbling it's way up the agenda again as the Victorian ALP vote to make same-sex marriage a policy plank and Mike Rann calling for this also.
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Posted 10 October 2011 - 10:14 AM

It is only a matter of time now before Australia makes same-sex marriage legal. The push is starting to gather momentum and will probably become a reality within ten years. You have to wonder at the thinking of people who would oppose this. They act as if sexual orientation is a matter of choice and by blocking same-sex marriage they would somehow cause all these couples to form heterosexual relationships instead.
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Posted 12 October 2011 - 01:09 PM

View PostBam, on 10 October 2011 - 10:14 AM, said:

It is only a matter of time now before Australia makes same-sex marriage legal. The push is starting to gather momentum and will probably become a reality within ten years. You have to wonder at the thinking of people who would oppose this. They act as if sexual orientation is a matter of choice and by blocking same-sex marriage they would somehow cause all these couples to form heterosexual relationships instead.

Denial. It's not just a river in Egpyt.
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Posted 12 October 2011 - 05:27 PM

View PostBam, on 10 October 2011 - 10:14 AM, said:

You have to wonder at the thinking of people who would oppose this. They act as if sexual orientation is a matter of choice and by blocking same-sex marriage they would somehow cause all these couples to form heterosexual relationships instead.


As one opposing same sex marriage, I have to wonder why you would make such an inane observation.

Chin up though lads. If it's good enough for Julia, it's good enough for me. :unsure:
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Posted 12 October 2011 - 09:11 PM

View Posticey, on 12 October 2011 - 05:27 PM, said:

As one opposing same sex marriage, I have to wonder why you would make such an inane observation.

Probably because many of those who are opposed to gay marriage produce such inane reasons for opposing it. While you personally may not necessarily produce inane reasons, others do.

I saw two separate linked images on facebook today about gay marriage. One said:

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Don't like gay marriage? Don't get one.
Don't like cigarettes? Don't smoke one.
Don't like abortions? Don't have one.
Don't like sex? Don't do it.
Don't like drugs? Don't do them.
Don't like porn? Don't watch it.
Don't like alcohol? Don't drink it.
Don't like guns? Don't buy one.
Don't like your rights taken away?
Then don't take away someone else's.


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It's very dear to me, the issue of gay marriage. Or, as I like to call it: "marriage". You know, because I had lunch this afternoon, not gay lunch. I parked my car; I didn't gay park it. (Liz Feldman)
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 07:05 AM

Bam: Reasoned and rational. Keep chipping away!
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 07:57 AM

View PostBam, on 12 October 2011 - 09:11 PM, said:

Probably because many of those who are opposed to gay marriage produce such inane reasons for opposing it. While you personally may not necessarily produce inane reasons, others do.

I saw two separate linked images on facebook today about gay marriage. One said:
Don't like gay marriage? Don't get one.
Don't like cigarettes? Don't smoke one.
Don't like abortions? Don't have one.
Don't like sex? Don't do it.
Don't like drugs? Don't do them.
Don't like porn? Don't watch it.
Don't like alcohol? Don't drink it.
Don't like guns? Don't buy one.
Don't like your rights taken away?
Then don't take away someone else's.



The other said:

It's very dear to me, the issue of gay marriage. Or, as I like to call it: "marriage". You know, because I had lunch this afternoon, not gay lunch. I parked my car; I didn't gay park it. (Liz Feldman)


"Reasoned and rational"? Neither I'd have thought.

A little extrapolation of the first argument would lead to all sorts of places nobody would want to go whilst the second one starkly ignores the near ageless institution of traditional marriage bizarrely (albeit comedically) trying to compare it with the, umm, institution of parking a car!. And you offend the Islamic commnity at large to boot!
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Posted 13 October 2011 - 05:48 PM

View Posticey, on 13 October 2011 - 07:57 AM, said:

"Reasoned and rational"? Neither I'd have thought.

A little extrapolation of the first argument would lead to all sorts of places nobody would want to go.

If I prepared the list, I would not have added drugs to it because they are not legal. In its place, I would have included legal but controversial alternatives like eating meat and barracking for Collingwood.

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[W]hilst the second one starkly ignores the near ageless institution of traditional marriage bizarrely (albeit comedically) trying to compare it with the, umm, institution of parking a car!. And you offend the Islamic commnity at large to boot!

Appealing to tradition is a fallacious argument. It was also once traditional to hang thieves, marry before having sex, consider people born out of wedlock to be inferior, assign gender roles such as male breadwinners and housewives, allow corporal punishment in schools and so on. Times change and with them so do the values of society as a whole.

The general trend internationally is towards homosexual marriage, and sooner or later the issue will be considered here. I hope that when it does eventually get put to a vote in Federal Parliament, that all members are allowed a conscience vote and not compelled to follow the dictates of their party.
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Posted 15 October 2011 - 11:47 PM

So many people who this has not bearing on (their not gay/they don't want to marry someone of the same sex!) are so passionate about this!

I've heard it all and can safely say I am jaded by it.

I want to marry my partner, but it seems people don't think our 7 year relationship counts/we should have a separate marriage law (considering we are a couple under centrelink/tax laws this is bs!).

Here are just a few of the "words of wisdom" some of the opponents have come up with:

Not everyone in the world is having this debate – it's a privilege of Western society
Lets put it to a referendum – I didn't know that had a referendum on everyones marriage
All other combinations are fine, including: a person may marry their aunt or uncle, niece or nephew or ‘first’ cousin.
Gay people just need to marry someone of the opposite sex – apparently a sham marriage is better than a marriage between 2 loving adults – great way to uphold the sanctity of marriage there!
It's defined as being between a man and a women – well it wasn't until 2004!
Marriage is to breed children – even though childless couples/older couples can still get married!
Let them have same-sex 'marriage', but don't officially call it 'marriage'
Some people a bigoted but not homophobic!
People don't want gay people to get married because...............(they have been asked numerous times to explain their situation using logic, however so far this has failed).
Gay people have to suck it up as they don't want to share.
Nazis will ride around on dinosaurs.
Gay people bed hop more (even though there isn't any proof of this and they didn't provide a source for it!)
Minority groups are apparently jumping up and down until they get their way, unlike bigoted homophobes (oooo i mean bigots!) who never jump up and down about what their views are!

And Finally:
Nazis will ride around on dinosaurs.

I really wish we could pass this and move on to "more important things!"

As it is, we're looking at moving overseas - Australia is such a backwards place!

I wonder when the laws for stoning non virgins on their wedding nights and people that work on Sundays are going to pass?

After all, if it says it in the bible, we have to outlaw it!
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Let me get this straight...Charlie Sheen can make a "porn family", Kelsey Grammer can end a 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King can be on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE. Yet, the idea of same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really
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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:47 AM

View Postice444, on 15 October 2011 - 11:47 PM, said:

I want to marry my partner, but it seems people don't think our 7 year relationship counts/we should have a separate marriage law (considering we are a couple under centrelink/tax laws this is bs!).

At the moment, you're considered "married" if it saves the taxpayer a few dollars or imposes obligations upon you, yet you are not considered "married" if it instead gives you rights such as default rules for inheritance. Equality under the law is a right for all regardless of gender identity and sexual preference between consenting adults.
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Posted 20 October 2011 - 08:45 PM

Considering we paid 300k in taxes last year through our business, it really pisses me off, that's life!
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Let me get this straight...Charlie Sheen can make a "porn family", Kelsey Grammer can end a 15 year marriage over the phone, Larry King can be on divorce #9, Britney Spears had a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods, while married, were having sex with EVERYONE. Yet, the idea of same-sex marriage is going to destroy the institution of marriage? Really
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Posted 21 October 2011 - 01:17 AM

View Postice444, on 20 October 2011 - 08:45 PM, said:

Considering we paid 300k in taxes last year through our business, it really pisses me off, that's life!


"Ticket to ride" do you mean?
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Posted 24 October 2011 - 12:25 PM

View Posticey, on 21 October 2011 - 01:17 AM, said:

"Ticket to ride" do you mean?

huh?
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Posted 24 October 2011 - 03:03 PM

"Replying to Leagalising same-sex marriage in Australia"
1. Considering we paid 300k in taxes last year through our business, it really pisses me off, that's life!
2. "Ticket to ride" do you mean?
3. huh?


Why does the consideration that "we paid 300k in taxes last year through our business" particularly "piss ice444 off" ?

Does an individual (or a pair's) payment of $300K in taxes provide a reasonable expectation of the provision of a gay marriage ticket? I don't see it, but others may disagree.
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