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#21 User is offline   icey 

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Posted 24 January 2011 - 03:43 PM

View PostNeil, on 24 January 2011 - 01:52 PM, said:

Dr Vint Cerf praises the NBN http://bigpondnews.c...gle_568198.html
Cerf one of the internet's leading authorities supports the building the NBN.


As with the opinions of most experts on either side of the fence, it's easy to see reason for bias (in his case, a desire for a more connected population, an admirable goal albeit an easy call in it's own right). Yet even the good doctor says (in your own source) that "it will be difficult to predict its economic benefits".

In the light of Greens Scott Ludlam planning to introduce a private members bill to overturn the (FOI) exemption, I wonder what local green minded folk think of ''the most secretive government project in Australia's history''.

Certainly the friends of Assange (should they exist) would have a problem with FOI exemptions. Except for Assange himself, but that would be off topic.

Said Julia, "We will be held to higher standards of transparency and reform, and it's in that spirit that I approach the task of forming a government."

Love the "new paradigm”. Rebadged, but in status quo.
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#22 User is offline   Neil 

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 12:28 PM

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As with the opinions of most experts on either side of the fence, it's easy to see reason for bias

So when discussing any subject we should ignore the experts because they may be biased.
So if you get sick you would ignore any medical specialist because of their inherent bias.
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#23 User is offline   icey 

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Posted 25 January 2011 - 03:51 PM

View PostNeil, on 25 January 2011 - 12:28 PM, said:

So when discussing any subject we should ignore the experts because they may be biased.
So if you get sick you would ignore any medical specialist because of their inherent bias.


I'd trust my GP or a med/surg specialist long before I'd trust $450K per annum Mike Kaiser (appointed by $2 million Quigley).

Or should we discuss trusting politician Stephen Conroy who previously noted that Kaiser's "electoral fraud allegations" amounted to nought but ''youthful indiscretions''.

But let's listen to experts from beyond and decide for ourselves.

AAPT chief executive Mr Paul Broad, said that the NBN was a ''complete waste of money'

Referring to the gleaming red NBN .....

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SB: Can consumers use a hundred megs?

PB: Conceivably they could. It's like the Cross City Tunnel here in Sydney. A wonderful piece of infrastructure, no one wants to use it at the price.



Source: http://www.businessspectator.com.au 10 Sep 2010 [login required]

Potential bias apparent, but acknowledged by me.

On my own local note, everybody loves the Clem 7 tunnel when it's free, but we don't want to pay for it.

Luckily for gullible folk, the NBN infrastructure is free, and sign up is optional. And I love a free lunch as much as the next man.

If only it was.
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Posted 25 January 2011 - 04:56 PM

And on the flip side I'd trust the people you don't trust before I trust any of the over $10 million big 4 bank CEOs

Icey, I think you may benefit from the Where does Money come from discussion if we can get it going.
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Posted 26 January 2011 - 01:14 AM

So that exlains why ozforums went so quiet... :)

I love how so many people elsewhere whinge, "I don't need no steenking 100Mb/s, my Internet is already fast enough for me" not realising that the 100Mb/s is actually mainly for the benefit of organisations (eg. companies and public institutions). Anyway, it will all come out in the wash.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:42 AM

View PostAmber Dekstris, on 26 January 2011 - 01:14 AM, said:

So that exlains why ozforums went so quiet... :)

I love how so many people elsewhere whinge, "I don't need no steenking 100Mb/s, my Internet is already fast enough for me" not realising that the 100Mb/s is actually mainly for the benefit of organisations (eg. companies and public institutions). Anyway, it will all come out in the wash.

Wash wash wash....
http://www.reuters.c...E70P11020110126
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 09:54 AM

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a task that could be tough because airwaves are a finite resource and demand is almost limitless.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 10:22 AM

senexx said:

Posted Today, 11:54 AM Quote

a task that could be tough because airwaves are a finite resource and demand is almost limitless.


Indeed, maybe Malcolm Turnbull is ahead of the pack after all with his hybrid concepts.

Still, Obama can't go wrong, can he? Or could he know something that the ranga has missed?


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"We will move forward together, or not at all"

"Win The Future"


Moving forward, WTF?

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Obama made no mention of the words climate change, global warming or environment in his hour-long speech on Tuesday night


OK ladies and gentleman, I will concede that Obama could be wrong on one major count, but surely not on two? :)
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 11:00 AM

Anyone that pays attention to the NBN design all ready knows it's a hybrid of optical fibre, wireless and satellite. Turnbull also believes that Telstra would have voluntary separated retail and wholesale - which destroys his credibility on the issue. That has been a request of many for at least a decade. It is now done.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 02:24 PM

View PostBen Morrisson, on 16 January 2011 - 11:40 AM, said:

My understanding is that the Liberals and especially Turnbul (as I saw him speak directly on this) are not opposed to a nation broadband network they are opposed to the current design of the project.. as well they should be... I am a network engineer by trade and there is a lot of 'jobs for the boys' insider deals and whitewash going on with the current project... The Liberals are correct when they say the costings are suspect... They are awful as is the technology design of fibre to the household.

Labour needs to do this properly because the nation will not get another chance at this. On the other side the dedication of Conroy to getting this project off the ground and started is admirable. It needs to happen.

For my point of view though fibre to the household as stage one of the project is ridiculous. Fibre to the intersection of every major street would be more economically feasible and would fill in the black holes that still exist in existing broadband network infrastructure. I am in the middle of prosperous suburb in a mid sized town (60000 people) and all I have is 3G...

Now people claim we are going to need buckets of bandwidth for new generation applications... no! business will, education does, and medicine does... but the average user at home needs enough bandwidth to game/make phone/video calls/stream video full screen in hd/browse net/email legacy applications etc... I currently now all of these satisfactorily over a 3g mobile connection... it would take much more bandwidth to solve the small service interuptions I experience...

Correctly as conroy state it is the UPLOAD that is the bottleneck for application currently... this can be solved by converting last mile technology to synchronous bandwidth SHDSL or changing the nature and config of current ADSL2+ delivery to increase up stream capacity...

if there is a decent core fibre network that fills in the black holes then a stage two can always work on fibre for the last mile... if ever necessary... but right now I cant see the black spots getting service coverage before the end of the NBN project if ever...

Its still too much politics and not enough consultation and thought... money is going to be wasted and is even at risk of the o=money beign lost through bad design.. Our government reps should keep in mind this is about the taxpayer not points scoring...


I am new to this NBN discussion and wiling to learn. It seems to me though that Ben Morrison's post has not been properly discussed.
Eb2 agrees with Ben but talks about wireless from the hub to the home, but that is not what Ben said.
JJ has experience in this area, but he doesn't address Ben's point either concentrating on the inadequacy of wireless spectrum.

Fibre to the Hub would mean many more people will be able to get at least ADSL2 which they are prevented from doing due to the monopoly provider. Big and small towns don't have ADSL2 because if there is no competition to put in DSLAM's in the exchange, it doesn't get done.

Fibre to the Node means all the advantages being quoted "business efficiency, hospitals, schools" can be accomodated because they will be on a node.

Ben's arguments are compelling. Fibre to the Home can always be stage 2. By then everyone may have a Ipad or equivelant and demand wireless access in one way or the other. Icey's quote from President Obama is also quite telling - Obama obviously thinks it is possible.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 02:32 PM

Len, Ben is largely right on the technical aspects. He is completely wrong on the economic aspects.

Of course the Coalition isn't opposed outright to the NBN because it is a very similar idea that came out of the Nationals think-tank the Page Research Centre (pdf)

On a personal note, I certainly will not be taking any of those things up that Ben has access to through 3G given the current exorbitant costs through that style and similar of wireless internet.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 02:45 PM

View PostSenexx, on 27 January 2011 - 02:32 PM, said:

Len, Ben is largely right on the technical aspects. He is completely wrong on the economic aspects.

Of course the Coalition isn't opposed outright to the NBN because it is a very similar idea that came out of the Nationals think-tank the Page Research Centre (pdf)

On a personal note, I certainly will not be taking any of those things up that Ben has access to through 3G given the current exorbitant costs through that style and similar of wireless internet.


Wireless acess via 3G is certainly too expensive. However I like the idea of having a ipad type device and be online wherever I travel, rather than lug a laptop and find a connection point. I am not a Iphone user, getting email and internet on such a small screen doesn't appeal. I expect wireless will become less expensive as demand escalates.

But Ben's point is why in a town of 60,000 is there no ADSL2. This applies to many major towns in WA. It also applies to near city areas. Fibre to the Hub fixes many of the current weak spots. For those in isolated areas, even NBN won't given them Fibre to the home.
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 02:58 PM

I've only got around 13000 and on my way into the bush and we've only recently got ADSL2. Perhaps in larger towns there is too much noise to filter (I mean in demand for something, not in wireless signal). I wouldn't touch an iApple product but the rest of what you're after is any of the smartphones available. It is just a matter of getting the correct phone plan. I'm not a big traveller so I can withstand a laptop and additionally there may be something available on laptops that isn't on the smartphones that you may wish to use.

However, you are correct in suggesting that smart phones are replacing laptops, and unlocked versions cost just as much too. I've been trying to change my phone to a smartphone but keep running into roadblocks of one sort or another (cost, plan, etc.)
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 03:46 PM

From Tweeter.

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Posted 27 January 2011 - 04:01 PM

View PostSenexx, on 27 January 2011 - 02:58 PM, said:

However, you are correct in suggesting that smart phones are replacing laptops, and unlocked versions cost just as much too. I've been trying to change my phone to a smartphone but keep running into roadblocks of one sort or another (cost, plan, etc.)


I've been running an unlocked Android smartphone for a couple of months, and perhaps I am leading the touted mainstream charge in 2011. My switch to the technology only happened when it became affordable (for me). Feeling quite empowered actually even sans NBN.

Trust me, my budget is not especially large, and certainly way below the cost of a laptop, or the monthly charge from the big 3 telcos typical offering.

Maybe we should exchange notes in another thread or via pm?
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Posted 27 January 2011 - 04:25 PM

Feel Free to PM me.
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Posted 01 February 2011 - 12:37 PM

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Posted 02 February 2011 - 01:59 PM

The question for me comes down to whether its going to provide us with commercial opportunities that we don't have now? Opportunities that stack up to $50Bil..

The yankees have always been a nation of smart innovators and I for one can see why they are going with wireless over broadband. Obama was in a position to rattle off a dozen uses in his speech the other night where I think Labor have given us a 'cross your fingers and hope' response or the cop out one that I love 'we haven't yet dreamed of the possibilities' to try to belittle anyone questioning the big picture.

The other thing that concerns me is that we continue to increase our debt by a substantial amounts with government debt levels at crazy levels around the world, especially when the spending is not needed. I have heard plenty of concerns that we are simply delaying the bubble and have even creating a bigger bubble by trying to spend our way out of a spending problem.

What happens if the economy takes a bigger tumble? A war breaks out? A national government goes bankrupt? Or we have a substantial natural disaster shock like we are seeing now? All seem possibilities to me. We are currently living in fragile days and I think spending recklessly into further debt, especially on $50bil policy that has avoided any proper scrutiny, is just insane.
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Posted 02 February 2011 - 02:06 PM

Rhino, rest assured as long as our debts are in Australian Dollars, it is impossible for the national government to go bankrupt.
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Posted 04 February 2011 - 12:28 PM

Broadband.

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