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#401 User is offline   Bam 

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Posted 21 April 2012 - 08:37 AM

View Postsouthern man, on 20 April 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

Frogman - NO, YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN!

:emot-effort:

Looks like southern man has totally failed to provide any demonstration of his assertion.
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Posted 21 April 2012 - 11:12 AM

View Postsouthern man, on 20 April 2012 - 09:48 PM, said:

Frogman - NO, YOU ARE WRONG AGAIN!

About what?
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#403 User is offline   Frogman 

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 11:02 AM

http://delimiter.com...copper-network/

Well, thats an eye opening read. I would love an answer on the last question.
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Posted 03 May 2012 - 08:57 PM

http://delimiter.com...isleads-on-nbn/


Contracts have been signed until 2016 - these will be costly to get out of.

If the coalition don't cancel these networks (as they've suggested) more than half the country will have been covered.

Are you telling me that if more than half the country is covered in this, we should stop it?

http://delimiter.com...-says-turnbull/

Not an issue for them - their not paying for it, hell at the moment no-one is!

http://delimiter.com...says-ex-bt-cto/

One of the UK’s foremost telecommunications experts, a former chief technology officer of British telco BT, has publicly stated that fibre to the node-style broadband is “one of the biggest mistakes humanity has made”, imposing huge bandwidth and unreliability problems on those who implement it, as the Coalition may do in Australia.

You don't say!

Need I say more?


I would like to know what technology will somehow come in and magically replace fibre.

Maybe we should install fttn - lets ask New Zealand what their doing - oh that's right they started installing fttn, realised that it didn't meet their needs and shock horror are now installing ftth.

Finally - anyone care to guess what # we are in the world for broadband speed?

5?

10?

15?

Keep going

http://www.news.com....0-1226344876391

We are # 24 behind such countries as:

Slovakia, Romania and Latvia!

One more thing:

http://delimiter.com...0mbps-turnbull/

bzzzzzzz Wrong

"With a fibre-to-the-node configuration like that, if the last segment of copper was 750 metres or less"

We would need double the cabinets, but that's okay as we would give money to a private company to build it.

Private infrastructure projects are what we should be focusing on - it worked soooo well for the HFC networks in the 1990's (you know the 2 networks that only cover 30% of the country because both companies lost billions as (shock horror) Australia doesn't need competing fixed networks.

When will people realise this is the way of the future - we can do it now or we can install fttn and have to pay double the cost in 10 years time.

Such short sightedness - let them eat cake (in this case let them wallow on copper lines that don't work!)

Maybe we should make every coalition politician survive on an optus 3g connection (Turnbull/Abbott especially!) for a 6 month period - that might make them change their mind!
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 09:04 AM

View Postice444, on 03 May 2012 - 08:57 PM, said:

Maybe we should make every coalition politician survive on an optus 3g connection (Turnbull/Abbott especially!) for a 6 month period - that might make them change their mind!

I like the idea of making politicians live off the conditions they create for other people. Put em on the newstart allowance, instead of whatever salary they are on. Force them to earn minimum wage for a while as well. Make their kids go through public schooling. Make sure they can only use medicare.

The chaos would be spectacular.
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Posted 04 May 2012 - 08:30 PM

View PostFrogman, on 04 May 2012 - 09:04 AM, said:

I like the idea of making politicians live off the conditions they create for other people. Put em on the newstart allowance, instead of whatever salary they are on. Force them to earn minimum wage for a while as well. Make their kids go through public schooling. Make sure they can only use medicare.

The chaos would be spectacular.

Make them follow all the petty rules as well. Though it is nothing more than wishful thinking.
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Posted 06 May 2012 - 08:45 AM

*wistful sigh*
Yeah I know. Pigs will fly before it happens
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 11:14 AM

Whatever happened to "We will demolish the NBN"?


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After promising to terminate the NBN if it comes to power, the coalition has changed its tune, saying it will continue with the rollout.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 03:03 PM

View PostHDMC, on 30 June 2012 - 11:14 AM, said:

Whatever happened to "We will demolish the NBN"?

Only at the cost of inferior fibre to the node installations instead of the NBN's current plan of fibre to the premises. We would still be 20 years behind.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 05:43 PM

All those nice business owners who are salivating at the thought of the NBN, and all those contractors who are salivating at the thought of those nice contracts, all of them would be screaming at Tony to shut the fuck up and let the rollout happen as planned.

If Mike Quigley has any sense he will be locking in all sorts of penalty clauses for non completion of work, and then if the unfortunate does happen and the LNP begin their reign of torment then they will take one look at the NBN books say "Whelp, damn those ALP shenanigans, they have made it more expensive to not do that work. We are being economically responsible by allowing the network to go ahead as planned."
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 06:00 PM

View PostFrogman, on 30 June 2012 - 05:43 PM, said:

If Mike Quigley has any sense he will be locking in all sorts of penalty clauses for non completion of work, and then if the unfortunate does happen and the LNP begin their reign of torment then they will take one look at the NBN books say "Whelp, damn those ALP shenanigans, they have made it more expensive to not do that work. We are being economically responsible by allowing the network to go ahead as planned."


Surely that wasn't meant to suggest that "those ALP shenanigans" were laudable.
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Posted 30 June 2012 - 07:50 PM

Why not? If they actually exist, then they would stop the wrecking ball that is the LNP from destroying a truly wonderful piece of nation building infrastructure. Thats a good thing.

Or are you not at all wondering why the bluster about the NBN rollback hasnt really continued?
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Posted 06 July 2012 - 09:52 AM

http://theconversati...-beginning-7758

Its just starting.
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Posted 08 July 2012 - 05:03 PM



"Connecting Australia"?

4000 and counting? Pens & USB sticks offered as a bandaid.
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 01:06 PM

Did you know that when the phone system was introduced there was only about 7500 odd subscribers in Sydney, and less than 5000 in Melbourne? In that same year over 40 million telegrams were sent.

Do you still think that the phone system should have been cancelled because of lack of uptake?

http://theconversati...ike-moment-7979
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 01:56 PM

Ever thought that when the whole country is on the same system that censorship might happen?
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 02:04 PM

View PostRoderick, on 11 July 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

Ever thought that when the whole country is on the same system that censorship might happen?

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Looks like someone doesnt understand the mechanics of the censorship proposal (hint, its not a layer 1 2 or 3 issue. Come back when you understand that)
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 02:57 PM

View PostFrogman, on 11 July 2012 - 02:04 PM, said:


Looks like someone doesnt understand the mechanics of the censorship proposal (hint, its not a layer 1 2 or 3 issue. Come back when you understand that)


My post was a supposition.
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 03:21 PM

View PostRoderick, on 11 July 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

My post was a supposition.

Thats nice. You are still fundamentally misunderstanding the technology involved, which makes your suppository entirely pointless.

Hint : The medium over which the information travels is largely irrelevant to censoring the information itself.
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Posted 11 July 2012 - 05:36 PM

What if the plug was pulled?
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