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#21 User is offline   southern man 

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:33 PM

Where to now for the Greens?

Oblivion hopefully - in keeping with their growing irrelevance and hard left ideas.

We would end up like Greece if Milne had her way.
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#22 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:56 PM

View PostFrogman, on 17 April 2012 - 09:07 AM, said:

http://www.alp.org.au/

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http://twitter.com/#...australianlabor
connect.alp.org.au/groups/the_the_labor_environment_action_network/
http://www.alp.org.au/labortv/
http://www.youtube.c...australianlabor

Do you want to have another guess as to the correct spelling?


The correct English spelling is 'Labor' as used by the ALP and our American cousins.
The French oriented spelling 'Labour' crept into English after the formation of the ALP so they kept their traditional spelling.

American English is a repository of the more correct English spellings of many words.
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#23 User is offline   Frogman 

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:05 PM

View PostRoderick, on 17 April 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

The correct English spelling is 'Labor' as used by the ALP and our American cousins.
The French oriented spelling 'Labour' crept into English after the formation of the ALP so they kept their traditional spelling.

American English is a repository of the more correct English spellings of many words.

Citation needed
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#24 User is offline   scotto 

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:19 PM

View PostRoderick, on 17 April 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

American English is a repository of the more correct English spellings of many words.

That's an aluminum-clad gaurantee!
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:50 PM

View PostRoderick, on 17 April 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

The correct English spelling is 'Labor' as used by the ALP and our American cousins.
The French oriented spelling 'Labour' crept into English after the formation of the ALP so they kept their traditional spelling.

American English is a repository of the more correct English spellings of many words.




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The ALP adopted the formal name "Australian Labour Party" in 1908, but changed the spelling to "Labor" in 1912. While it is standard practice in Australian English both today and at the time to spell the word labour with a "u", the party was influenced by the United States labor movement and a prominent figure in the early history of the party, the American–born King O'Malley, was successful in having the spelling "modernised".[12] The change also made it easier to distinguish references to the party from the labour movement in general.[13] Furthermore, the spelling "labor" had been acceptable in both British and Australian English in earlier periods

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But the point is, if someone calls the Federal ALP "Labour" on a forum such as this, common sense should prevail. Same goes with the LNP/LNC semantics.
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#26 User is offline   scotto 

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:55 PM

View PostHDMC, on 17 April 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:


But the point is, if someone calls the Federal ALP "Labour" on a forum such as this, common sense should prevail. Same goes with the LNP/LNC semantics.

Look, that's just far too sensible and conducive to free discussion. I think we should be aimng for the highest possible levels of pedantry and contrariness on minor issues.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:10 PM

View Postscotto, on 17 April 2012 - 02:55 PM, said:

Look, that's just far too sensible and conducive to free discussion. I think we should be aimng for the highest possible levels of pedantry and contrariness on minor issues.


Behave yourself scotto or I will report you to a moderator. Stat!
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:05 PM

View Posticey, on 17 April 2012 - 03:10 PM, said:

Behave yourself scotto or I will report you to a moderator. Stat!

It's a risk.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 06:15 PM

View PostBam, on 16 April 2012 - 08:50 PM, said:

I use LNP for the Liberal National Party (Queensland) and LNC for the Liberal-National coalition. I have suggested that others do the same to avoid confusing the two.

I consider the LNC to be a coalition of four parties: the Liberal party, the National party, the Liberal National Party and the Country Liberal Party. Though if we look closer, despite the name the National party are not really a national party, being an amalgam of state-based parties. Crook of the WA Nationals sits on the cross-benches, SA has historically had little National party support, and the Nationals don't even have a presence in the ACT IIRC. Perhaps there's not even a national Liberal party either, being made up of branches from the different states. Historically the ALP and Greens have also had this state-based structure.


You could just call it the Coalition or the Liberal/National Coalition like every political commentator and analyst in the country does. Why is this so difficult? Some people get pedantic beyond belief and then use the term LNP to apply to the coalition. Just call it the Coalition... That way you dont have to explain it every time. its called 'common use shorthand'.
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#30 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:09 PM

View Postscotto, on 17 April 2012 - 02:19 PM, said:

That's an aluminum-clad gaurantee!


It sure is.

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The earliest citation given in the Oxford English Dictionary for any word used as a name for this element is alumium, which British chemist and inventor Humphry Davy employed in 1808 for the metal he was trying to isolate electrolytically from the mineral alumina. The citation is from the journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London: "Had I been so fortunate as to have obtained more certain evidences on this subject, and to have procured the metallic substances I was in search of, I should have proposed for them the names of silicium, alumium, zirconium, and glucium."[63][64]
Davy settled on aluminum by the time he published his 1812 book Chemical Philosophy: "This substance appears to contain a peculiar metal, but as yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state, though alloys of it with other metalline substances have been procured sufficiently distinct to indicate the probable nature of alumina."[65] But the same year, an anonymous contributor to the Quarterly Review, a British political-literary journal, in a review of Davy's book, objected to aluminum and proposed the name aluminium, "for so we shall take the liberty of writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical sound."[6


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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:19 PM

View PostRoderick, on 17 April 2012 - 01:56 PM, said:

The correct English spelling is 'Labor' as used by the ALP and our American cousins.
The French oriented spelling 'Labour' crept into English after the formation of the ALP so they kept their traditional spelling.

American English is a repository of the more correct English spellings of many words.

Actually, you're incorrect here. King O'Malley changed the spelling of Labour to Labor c.1912 because he was one who was interested in spelling reform in common with many people at the time. Australia did not ultimately embrace much of the spelling modernisation (or modernization) of American English, but the Labor spelling stuck.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 08:24 PM

View Postlongweekend58, on 17 April 2012 - 06:15 PM, said:

You could just call it the Coalition or the Liberal/National Coalition like every political commentator and analyst in the country does. Why is this so difficult?

The ALP and Greens are also governing as a coalition at Federal level and in Tasmania so "Coalition" is no longer as unambiguous as it used to be.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 09:42 PM

View PostBam, on 17 April 2012 - 08:24 PM, said:

The ALP and Greens are also governing as a coalition at Federal level and in Tasmania so "Coalition" is no longer as unambiguous as it used to be.


Even the greens and alp will tell you they are not a coalition. And they certianly dont act as one. You seem to have a real problem with pedantry and it really isnt helping your debting ability. It it helps your pedantic need thgen call them the 'Coalition' vs the alp/greens 'coalition'. Read any easier for you or do yu want to split a few more hairs and just ignore what 99.99% of the country calls it?
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 07:29 AM

View Postlongweekend58, on 17 April 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Even the greens and alp will tell you they are not a coalition. And they certianly dont act as one. You seem to have a real problem with pedantry and it really isnt helping your debting ability. It it helps your pedantic need thgen call them the 'Coalition' vs the alp/greens 'coalition'. Read any easier for you or do yu want to split a few more hairs and just ignore what 99.99% of the country calls it?

I think Bam's ability to debt is phine.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:12 PM

View Postlongweekend58, on 17 April 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Even the greens and alp will tell you they are not a coalition. And they certianly dont act as one. You seem to have a real problem with pedantry and it really isnt helping your debting ability. It it helps your pedantic need thgen call them the 'Coalition' vs the alp/greens 'coalition'. Read any easier for you or do yu want to split a few more hairs and just ignore what 99.99% of the country calls it?

I think you're too fond of the "Coalition" tag and getting all hung up about terminology. Stop nitpicking others' use of terminology and start thinking about the issues at hand.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:13 PM

View Postlongweekend58, on 17 April 2012 - 09:42 PM, said:

Even the greens and alp will tell you they are not a coalition. And they certianly dont act as one. You seem to have a real problem with pedantry and it really isnt helping your debting ability. It it helps your pedantic need thgen call them the 'Coalition' vs the alp/greens 'coalition'. Read any easier for you or do yu want to split a few more hairs and just ignore what 99.99% of the country calls it?

Also, do not attack other posters at a personal level. Consider this a formal warning.

BAM
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:14 PM

View PostBam, on 17 April 2012 - 08:19 PM, said:

Actually, you're incorrect here. King O'Malley changed the spelling of Labour to Labor c.1912 because he was one who was interested in spelling reform in common with many people at the time. Australia did not ultimately embrace much of the spelling modernisation (or modernization) of American English, but the Labor spelling stuck.
Yes I was, that's what happens when one relies on memory :rolleyes: , however Labor is still the earlier spelling and many of the so called 'Americanizations' are the earlier English spellings.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 08:48 PM

View PostBam, on 18 April 2012 - 05:13 PM, said:


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longweekend58, on 17 April 2012 - 09:42 PM, said: Even the greens and alp will tell you they are not a coalition. And they certianly dont act as one. You seem to have a real problem with pedantry and it really isnt helping your debting ability. It it helps your pedantic need thgen call them the 'Coalition' vs the alp/greens 'coalition'. Read any easier for you or do yu want to split a few more hairs and just ignore what 99.99% of the country calls it?

Also, do not attack other posters at a personal level. Consider this a formal warning.

BAM


Close the debate down perhaps and lock the thread?
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 09:36 PM

Icey seems to have lost his mojo since the old OZ Elections days.

I guess age can do that.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 11:10 PM

View Postsouthern man, on 18 April 2012 - 09:36 PM, said:

Icey seems to have lost his mojo since the old OZ Elections days.

I guess age can do that.


I can't respond with a simple acronym southern man. On reading your line (and your possible misinterpration of my post), I was all but rolling on the floor laughing. :emot-roflolmao:

My age could be in play, but laughter remains. Keep up the good fight man!
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