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#41 User is offline   NotFrogman 

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 10:07 AM

http://www.sbs.com.a...d-Arafat-deputy

The only way this is a surprise is if you are surprised by the big ball of fire in the sky that appears in the east, and disappears in the west.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 02:02 PM

Frogman, you seem to have a severe lack of knowledge on this issue!! And of Middle East history.
Are you just taking up the cause because it's one of the "approved" left wing schools of thought? You sound like a zombie who keeps coming even though you keep shooting it with facts!
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 03:17 PM

Hamas fires rockets into Israel and Israel hits back, no surprise there. One wonders why the Hamas leaders are so stupid.

What the Arabs need is to win a war, just to bolster morale.
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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:26 PM

Citation needed.

I have heard that the rockets were fired in retaliation for the IDF killing a child. When you provide a reliable source for your assertion I will provide one for mine.
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#45 User is offline   NotFrogman 

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Posted 18 November 2012 - 09:35 PM

Also the head of the BBC for the middle east is in Gaza, and just said that the IDF knowingly bombed a building with journalists inside.


http://www.fpa.org.i...ategoryId=73840
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#46 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:21 AM

View PostNotFrogman, on 18 November 2012 - 09:35 PM, said:

Also the head of the BBC for the middle east is in Gaza, and just said that the IDF knowingly bombed a building with journalists inside.


http://www.fpa.org.i...ategoryId=73840

And Israel has just said that they targeted the antennae on the roof as they were being used by Hamas for their command communications.

The building was not bombed.
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Only unique idiots would fire rockets into Israel in the sure knowledge that there would be retaliation, thus shewing complete contempt for the well being of their own people.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:13 AM

View PostRoderick, on 19 November 2012 - 04:21 AM, said:

And Israel has just said that they targeted the antennae on the roof as they were being used by Hamas for their command communications.

And you believe them? Without questioning it at all? Why am I completely not surprised.

If you are just going to repeat the hasbara lies, then there is fuck all point in continuing this, because you are going to ignore all the evidence, and justify all the killings, and continue along in your secure little bubble of ignorance.

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The building was not bombed.

Oh really? This is indeed information. Do you have anything reliable to back up your story, or are are you just posting bullshit without a cite? I have my money on bullshit without a cite. Prove me wrong. I dare you.
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Only unique idiots would fire rockets into Israel in the sure knowledge that there would be retaliation, thus shewing complete contempt for the well being of their own people.

What would you do in their situation?

The IDF killed a child (again) and so, quite understandably, someone retaliated in the only way possible. They cobbled together a rocket made out of piss and sugar, aimed it in the direction of the people who have spent a generations oppressing and killing their friends and family, and lit the fuse.

In response, the IDF launched a massive attack involving numerous jets and high powered munitions, focusing on attacking the democratically elected officials and their families (and a shitload of collateral damage but hey, thats never worried them in the past, so why should it worry them now?)

What would you do?
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 11:23 AM

Having watched footge of a building with antennae on it indeed being struck by Israeli weapons, I have to surmise that the building was indeed 'bombed'.

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A separate air raid on a Gaza media centre damaged buildings used by Britain's Sky News and Hamas's Al-Aqsa TV buildings, with eight journalists wounded. One of them had one of his legs blown off.

The Israeli military said the strike targeted a rooftop "transmission antenna used by Hamas to carry out terror activity", and that journalists in the building had effectively been used as human shields by Gaza's rulers.
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#49 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:27 PM

NotFrog croaked,

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Oh really? This is indeed information. Do you have anything reliable to back up your story, or are are you just posting bullshit without a cite? I have my money on bullshit without a cite. Prove me wrong. I dare you.

Hamas said that it was hit by a rocket therefore it was not bombed.
Therefore you are wrong.
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Faced by overwhelming odds, I'd keep my head down and not do anything to antagonize and thus give legitimacy to retaliation.

Hamas knows full well that if they fire their largely ineffective rockets at Israel that Israel is going to fire very effective rockets back at them.
That some of their non-combatants are going to be killed is inevitable but they appear to want the killing of their own people to gain some doubtful sympathy.

As I said, only idiots indulge in this sort of 'tactics'.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 01:45 PM

View PostRoderick, on 19 November 2012 - 01:27 PM, said:

NotFrog croaked,

Hamas said that it was hit by a rocket therefore it was not bombed.
Therefore you are wrong.
This is pedantry of the highest order. I honestly expected better of you, though I have no idea why.

What is the practical difference between being bombed and having a rocket carrying a warhead explode on you? Why would you stress this difference?

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Faced by overwhelming odds, I'd keep my head down and not do anything to antagonize and thus give legitimacy to retaliation.


They have tried this tactic, and it failed miserably. I suggest you do some more reading from reliable sources, and find out more about the lead up to operation Cast Lead. Hamas all but stopped rocket attacks for 6 months leading up to the invasion, but Israel still invaded. Why should they do it again?

I have no idea why I keep bothering to "discuss" this topic with you myopic hasbara wannabes, but hey, yet more evidence that you will be incapable of rationally integrating into your completely fucked up world view. Have fun.

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Hamas knows full well that if they fire their largely ineffective rockets at Israel that Israel is going to fire very effective rockets back at them.

That some of their non-combatants are going to be killed is inevitable but they appear to want the killing of their own people to gain some doubtful sympathy.

Look at all this unsubstantiated bullshit that everyone is free to ignore, because its unsubstantiated bullshit. How can you possibly believe that they want some of their own people dead? Are you that ideologically blinded?

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As I said, only idiots indulge in this sort of 'tactics'.

Or, people who have had every other avenue of recourse denied to them. Desperate people who have grown up knowing that at any time, another country can randomly attack and bomb them, killing them and theirs.
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#51 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 19 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

Incredibly pedantic or not a rocket attack is not a bombing raid, nor is an attack by rocket firing aircraft.
Put it down to my having been a soldier for many years. :rolleyes:
The only thing that I'm crooked on Israel for is that they ended the Six Day War so soon.
I, and many other volunteers, missed out on the chance to serve under the Star of David.

I do have a nice letter of appreciation from the Israeli Ambassador though.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 03:48 PM

It's in the best interest of Hamas to be bombed by Israel, because it means that they can call themselves "refugees". Every time it starts to look like things are getting a little too quiet, they fire a few missiles at Israel, plant some civilians near the launch site, and wait for the BBC to rush there like well trained salivating dogs, and effectively reset the clock on their refugee status. All there is to do then is wait for the aid to roll in. Aid which is held ransom by Hamas while they make the Palestinian people beg for it. Still you get the leaders you deserve.

Congratulations Roderick, you are to be commended for having the guts to be prepared to do what needed to be done.
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Posted 19 November 2012 - 04:02 PM

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Must have been a supply problem, still they seem to have rectified it.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 09:37 AM

View PostRoderick, on 19 November 2012 - 04:02 PM, said:

Must have been a supply problem, still they seem to have rectified it.

Citation needed. Also, you haven't (or can't, im going to assume cant) answered my questions.

I think from now on im going to just ignore the bullshit that flows freely from your keyboard.

So, back to facts, shall we?

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http://news.national...r-gaza-attacks/

Latest tally is 100+ palestinians dead (50ish civillians) and 3 Israeli citizens. Proportionality. Sort of speaks a bit out the degree of precision that Israel claims it uses when targeting.

http://www.bbc.co.uk...e-east-20391558

http://www.aljazeera...5617518485.html

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Posted 20 November 2012 - 11:50 AM

http://www.washingto...bf23_story.html
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 01:39 PM

All very interesting, Frog, but largely a waste of time.
Only idiots, or those seeking martyrdom, fire inefficient rockets at a superior force.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:07 PM

View PostRoderick, on 20 November 2012 - 01:39 PM, said:

All very interesting, Frog, but largely a waste of time.
Only idiots, or those seeking martyrdom, fire inefficient rockets at a superior force.

Not really true.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 02:08 PM

So would you have advocated for the inhabitants of the Warsaw Ghetto to just lay down and take it? They were firing at a superior force. Were their actions a waste of time?
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:13 PM

View PostFrogman, on 20 November 2012 - 02:08 PM, said:

So would you have advocated for the inhabitants of the Warsaw Ghetto to just lay down and take it? They were firing at a superior force. Were their actions a waste of time?

Not at all, their efforts allowed some of their people to escape, but no one is forcing Palestinians to stay where they are, unless it is their fellow Arabs and religious bretheren that won't give them asylum.

Totally different to the Warsaw Ghetto.
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Posted 20 November 2012 - 03:15 PM

View Postscotto, on 20 November 2012 - 02:07 PM, said:

Not really true.

Well who, in general, fires rockets at superior forces; particularly when they have nowhere to which to retreat:
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