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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:14 AM

PM Stands by Slipper

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SPEAKER Peter Slipper will face a parliamentary vote on his future if he refuses to stand aside over sexual harassment allegations.

As claims in court documents of "unwanted sexual advances" rocked the Government, Prime Minister Julia Gillard was standing by her Speaker last night, with sources saying they were unlikely to support moves to oust him, the Herald Sun reports.


As I recall, when Slipper originally jumped ship there was serious talk of more revelations to come, and that in time, the government would regret his appointment as speaker.

Gotta hand it to Gillard though, she looks after her own, though probably to her ultimate detriment. Presumption of innocence for all players of course, but the Prime Minister's professed faith and whole hearted support for Thomson and now Slipper won't be admired, even by ALP voters.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:18 AM

View Posticey, on 22 April 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

PM Stands by Slipper



As I recall, when Slipper originally jumped ship there was serious talk of more revelations to come, and that in time, the government would regret his appointment as speaker.

Gotta hand it to Gillard though, she looks after her own, though probably to her ultimate detriment. Presumption of innocence for all players of course, but the Prime Minister's professed faith and whole hearted support for Thomson and now Slipper won't be admired, even by ALP voters.



What do you expect her to do? The Speaker is appointed by Parliament, not the PM. There will be a vote on whether to remove him if he doesn't stand aside in the meantime.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:23 AM

View PostHDMC, on 22 April 2012 - 07:18 AM, said:

What do you expect her to do? The Speaker is appointed by Parliament, not the PM. There will be a vote on whether to remove him if he doesn't stand aside in the meantime.


She could express an opinion as to how the vote should go (sort of like a leader might command those he commands). Or quietly ask Slipper to resign. Or not so quietly.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:27 AM

View Posticey, on 22 April 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

She could express an opinion as to how the vote should go (sort of like a leader might command those he commands). Or quietly ask Slipper to resign. Or not so quietly.


No doubt she will express an opinion. In the correct forum at the appropriate time. This matter is after all before the court.



Do you know which way Labor will vote? I don't.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:25 AM

View Posticey, on 22 April 2012 - 07:23 AM, said:

She could express an opinion as to how the vote should go (sort of like a leader might command those he commands). Or quietly ask Slipper to resign. Or not so quietly.

You mean a bit like JWH didn't when most of the allegations became known at the time he was PM and Slipper was a member of his party?
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:27 AM

View Posticey, on 22 April 2012 - 07:14 AM, said:

Gotta hand it to Gillard though, she looks after her own, ..

You know, if this was happening in JWH's tenure, which is when most of the known alleged incidents occurred, he would have done exactly the same thing. [In fact he obviously did because almost no knowledge of the allegations leaked out at that time] And you would have applauded him for doing so.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 12:27 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 April 2012 - 09:27 AM, said:

You know, if this was happening in JWH's tenure, which is when most of the known alleged incidents occurred, he would have done exactly the same thing.


The new allegations about the Speaker are about activites said to have occured whilst he held this very high office. In contrast, what do you reckon about Newman's sacking of his police minister regarding much lesser allegations?

Harry Jenkins must surely be cringing. Let them bring Harry back! Or even that waffler from Port Macquarrie.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 12:33 PM

View PostHDMC, on 22 April 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

No doubt she will express an opinion. In the correct forum at the appropriate time. This matter is after all before the court.


Opinion on what? His guilt, or the appropriateness of him remaining speaker?

View PostHDMC, on 22 April 2012 - 07:27 AM, said:

Do you know which way Labor will vote? I don't.


Good question. For my money, I believe that Gillardian political strategy demands he must go. Ideally for Gillard, parliament and indeed himself, he should resign of his own volition. In reality, I remember the ceremonial dragging of the new speaker to his parliamentary perch, and suspect that his removal may require some not so ceremonial force.

Prediction: He won't last a further week as speaker in the resumed parliament but will be turfed out on a vote.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 01:03 PM

View Posticey, on 22 April 2012 - 12:33 PM, said:

Opinion on what? His guilt, or the appropriateness of him remaining speaker?



Forgotten your post already?

"She could express an opinion as to how the vote should go..."
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 01:59 PM

View Posticey, on 22 April 2012 - 12:27 PM, said:

The new allegations about the Speaker are about activites said to have occured whilst he held this very high office. In contrast, what do you reckon about Newman's sacking of his police minister regarding much lesser allegations?

Harry Jenkins must surely be cringing. Let them bring Harry back! Or even that waffler from Port Macquarrie.

Only one of them. The Cabcharge allegions are months old. The new charge of sexual harassment is serious and should be treated that way. I'm on record as saying that Newman sacking his police minister was a bit over the odds - go back and read that thread.

Calling Oakshott names just makes you look cheap.

I also think that there is an element of the Opposition doing a bit of homophobic dog whistling here; funny how the fact of his previous relationships has only been broadcast now, rather than years ago when it was well established.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:04 PM

So Slipper has stepped aside - all critics should be happy for the meantime ..
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:37 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 April 2012 - 04:04 PM, said:

So Slipper has stepped aside - all critics should be happy for the meantime ..


That must upset a few on here. This means we are back as things were before Slipper became Speacker with Gillard surviving on a one seat margin. Opps! I forgot! She shafted Wilkie and now Wilkie doesnt support her. That makes her margin NIL.

Abbott might be PM before the end of May!
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:43 PM

View PostHDMC, on 22 April 2012 - 01:03 PM, said:

Forgotten your post already?

"She could express an opinion as to how the vote should go..."


My oversight. I stand corrected.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:45 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 April 2012 - 01:59 PM, said:

I also think that there is an element of the Opposition doing a bit of homophobic dog whistling here; funny how the fact of his previous relationships has only been broadcast now, rather than years ago when it was well established.


Didn't get the dog whistle, unattuned though I may be. Got a pointer to it?
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 04:52 PM

View Postlongweekend58, on 22 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

That must upset a few on here. This means we are back as things were before Slipper became Speacker with Gillard surviving on a one seat margin. Opps! I forgot! She shafted Wilkie and now Wilkie doesnt support her. That makes her margin NIL.

Abbott might be PM before the end of May!


That long?

I'm getting confused with these vacillating wafer thin margins. Not meaning to be cheap, but Wilkie is on record of being inclined to vote against Pete the slippery speaker, so maybe prodigal son Wilkie will now return to Gillard's fold and save her bacon?
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 07:21 PM

View Posticey, on 22 April 2012 - 04:52 PM, said:

That long?

I'm getting confused with these vacillating wafer thin margins. Not meaning to be cheap, but Wilkie is on record of being inclined to vote against Pete the slippery speaker, so maybe prodigal son Wilkie will now return to Gillard's fold and save her bacon?


I have nothing but comtempt for Wilkie. He is a vacillating and gullible MP. Blind freddy could tell that Gillard would not deliver on pokie reform and the Slipper move was just to make that (not) happen. Even now this fool thinks Gillard can be trusted. He would not support a no-confidence vote because Gillard (the proven liar) will just promise him what he wants to hear and then shaft him once again.

UNfortunately, this govt will end up running its course because of a handful of independents who lack the integrity and intelligence to act properly. Whioch is why they will each be massacred at the upcoming election. Windsor is bitter, Wilkie is weak and Oakeshoot is just plain stupid. It is the Three Stooges revisited.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:02 PM

I'm wondering who this staffer is. Is the staffer a member of the Liberal party? What else do we know about him?

Could be shades of Godwin Gretch.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:49 PM

View PostBam, on 22 April 2012 - 09:02 PM, said:

I'm wondering who this staffer is. Is the staffer a member of the Liberal party? What else do we know about him?


News Limited naturally enough give us some dirt on the enemy of strawberries and the government. Further reference elsewhere to a young politician who introduced Peter Slipper to his former adviser James Ashby

From recollection of TV and news reports, the staffer is a gay marketing sort of guy who was allegedly cajoled into the advisory position but was unable to play the game for more than a few months.
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Posted 22 April 2012 - 09:59 PM

View Postlongweekend58, on 22 April 2012 - 04:37 PM, said:

That must upset a few on here. This means we are back as things were before Slipper became Speacker with Gillard surviving on a one seat margin. Opps! I forgot! She shafted Wilkie and now Wilkie doesnt support her. That makes her margin NIL.

Abbott might be PM before the end of May!

As was said some time ago - they survived on this margin before. They'll do it again. We might just have some pokie reform in the meantime....
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Posted 23 April 2012 - 08:54 AM

Abbott is daring to suggest that Slipper should stand aside until civil proceedings against him are settled. This is unreasonable. If this standard applied equally to all MPs, one can force the resignation of a Minister or Speaker simply by suing them, no matter how groundless the accusations in the lawsuit are. A Minister having a messy divorce? Better sack them then!

Howard did not stand aside when he was accused of dubious dealings in the AWB scandal, Turnbull did not stand aside as Leader of the Opposition when civil proceedings were in progress against him, and so on. It is untenable for Abbott's view to prevail here.

Slipper has chosen to stand aside while an investigation into criminal accusations are in progress against him, and that's reasonable. Assuming he is cleared of criminal wrongdoing, he should be able to resume the Speakership when this occurs. Even though he is the Speaker, civil proceedings are private matters and should not disqualify anyone from being a Speaker.
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