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#321 User is offline   scotto 

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:04 AM

View Postcods, on 29 December 2012 - 02:23 PM, said:

he was one of the few ministers of Aboriginal Affairs that actually worked well with the aborigine community..

but I guess that doesnt account for much.

The Intervention..... Jury is still out on that.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 10:51 AM

View PostRightSaidFred, on 30 December 2012 - 09:17 AM, said:

This was not a conspiracy by any measure

And your evidence for asserting this is what exactly? How can you say this for sure when we have the finding of a Federal Court judge?

It's not like conspiracies are conducted in the open. When there's court-tested evidence there's a conspiracy, it's safe to say there's a conspiracy. To assert otherwise in the face of court-tested evidence without evidence to back up the assertion is only wishful thinking.
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#323 User is offline   RightSaidFred 

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Posted 30 December 2012 - 11:16 AM

View PostBam, on 30 December 2012 - 10:51 AM, said:

And your evidence for asserting this is what exactly? How can you say this for sure when we have the finding of a Federal Court judge?

It's not like conspiracies are conducted in the open. When there's court-tested evidence there's a conspiracy, it's safe to say there's a conspiracy. To assert otherwise in the face of court-tested evidence without evidence to back up the assertion is only wishful thinking.


By the fact that he admitted on prime time media to assisting him ????

Do your conspiracies usually involve the main stream media in announcing them ?

http://www.theaustra...0-1226540712348

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"A party cannot be allowed to misuse the court's process by including scandalous, irrelevant or damaging allegations, knowing that they would receive very significant media coverage, and then seek to regularise . . . pleading by subsequently abandoning those claims," Justice Rares said.


http://www.judgments...012/2012fca1411

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PRACTICE AND PROCEDURE – dismissal or stay – application for proceedings to be dismissed or stayed as an abuse of process pursuant to r 26.01(1) of the Federal Court Rules 2011 (Cth) – categories of abuse of process not closed – where allegations allegedly made in pleading for predominant purpose of a political attack to advance maker’s own interests – where some allegations made that were irrelevant, scandalous or calculated to injure – where applicant’s lawyer responsible for impugned allegations – where applicant and lawyer intended or aware that media would obtain a copy of pleading and publish allegations made in it


No mention of conspiracy but a claim of Abuse of Process
Mr Brough has already admitted to helping.

Looks like your reading the media spin.

Even this abuse of process is aimed at Ashby and his lawyers.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 01:31 PM

View PostRightSaidFred, on 30 December 2012 - 11:16 AM, said:

By the fact that he admitted on prime time media to assisting him ????

Do your conspiracies usually involve the main stream media in announcing them ?

http://www.theaustra...0-1226540712348



http://www.judgments...012/2012fca1411



No mention of conspiracy but a claim of Abuse of Process
Mr Brough has already admitted to helping.

Looks like your reading the media spin.

Even this abuse of process is aimed at Ashby and his lawyers.

The press was part of the execution. You'd have to be tremendously stupid not to understand this. You've just linked the latest part of the story here.

Brough lied repeatedly about his involvement. Is this proper behaviour?
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 03:56 PM

View Postscotto, on 30 December 2012 - 01:31 PM, said:

The press was part of the execution. You'd have to be tremendously stupid not to understand this. You've just linked the latest part of the story here.

Brough lied repeatedly about his involvement. Is this proper behaviour?


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What did he lie about ?

He admitted helping the guy, again hardly a conspiracy.

The Judge doesn't agree with you, btw your jumping to broad insults and ignoring this fact.

Where did the word conspiracy start ?

The ALP spin doctors perhaps ?

Fairfax media ?
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 04:32 PM

View PostRightSaidFred, on 30 December 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

Scotto

What did he lie about ?

He admitted helping the guy, again hardly a conspiracy.

The Judge doesn't agree with you, btw your jumping to broad insults and ignoring this fact.

Where did the word conspiracy start ?

The ALP spin doctors perhaps ?

Fairfax media ?

Lied about contact. Lied about how much contact. Lied about receiving diary pages. Only coughed up the truth when caught out. Omitted the truth whenever he could.

That's lying.

Brough was part of an abuse of the legal process. This much is clear. Even if we don't use the word 'conspiracy', this is culpable behaviour.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 05:24 PM

View Postscotto, on 30 December 2012 - 04:32 PM, said:

Lied about contact. Lied about how much contact. Lied about receiving diary pages. Only coughed up the truth when caught out. Omitted the truth whenever he could.

That's lying.

Brough was part of an abuse of the legal process. This much is clear. Even if we don't use the word 'conspiracy', this is culpable behaviour.


And this is your theory it was a conspiracy ?

I think it sounds more like the ALP spin doctor talk.

Does Brough need to share his diary with you to satisfy you that it was not a conspiracy ?

He may not of provided full disclosure now you claiming he is just lying ...... conspiracy ?????

You need to work out what you think he has done wrong. Ashby is responsible for his own defence, I see no conspiracy at all. What I can possibly see is Ashby taking some less that quality legal advice from Brough.
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Posted 30 December 2012 - 09:39 PM

View PostRightSaidFred, on 30 December 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

And this is your theory it was a conspiracy ?

I think it sounds more like the ALP spin doctor talk.

Does Brough need to share his diary with you to satisfy you that it was not a conspiracy ?

If Brough had nothing to hide, why did he lie repeatedly about his involvement? Anyone who tells lies has something to hide. What is Brough hiding?
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 06:37 AM

View Postscotto, on 30 December 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

The Intervention..... Jury is still out on that.




the full blood aborigine seems to agree it does work...its those that are more white than black that prefer not to see harmony and respect for oneself return to the aboriginal race..when every aboriginal child goes to school every day with a clean face and a packed lunch I will then say its a beginning..

in the mean time when everything is only about money... I shake my head.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 06:43 AM

View PostBam, on 30 December 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

If Brough had nothing to hide, why did he lie repeatedly about his involvement? Anyone who tells lies has something to hide. What is Brough hiding?




THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD... has given everyone the right to lie and then lie again to get out of it..as Brough isnt in govt I guess he has even more rights to lie..

can you tell me what lies he has made and what advice he gave Ashby?..and why would it bring down a govt???????

is Rares suggesting slipper would have gone to jail over the sexual harassment case?? which is the only reason he would have been expelled from parliament surely?

do you think gillard will reinstate him to speaker?..after all hes DONE NOTHING WRONG.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:04 AM

View PostBam, on 30 December 2012 - 09:39 PM, said:

If Brough had nothing to hide, why did he lie repeatedly about his involvement? Anyone who tells lies has something to hide. What is Brough hiding?


Not sure what your referring to .... he seemed very quiet about the matter then admitted to talking to Ashby ages ago. As a private citizen he did not have to disclose anything.

Again where is this conspiracy ? Its ALP spin at least show us a link to that.

If he has done something wrong then why has he not been charged with anything ?
The judge looks to be politicising his own ruling.

Abuse of process say like lying to the government about the true intent of a union slush fund ?

Brough was not even Ashby's lawyer.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:26 AM

View Postcods, on 31 December 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

the full blood aborigine seems to agree it does work...its those that are more white than black that prefer not to see harmony and respect for oneself return to the aboriginal race..when every aboriginal child goes to school every day with a clean face and a packed lunch I will then say its a beginning..

in the mean time when everything is only about money... I shake my head.

Your remark above is racist. This is against the rules of the Forum.

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Posted 31 December 2012 - 07:46 AM

View Postcods, on 31 December 2012 - 06:43 AM, said:

THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD... has given everyone the right to lie and then lie again to get out of it..as Brough isnt in govt I guess he has even more rights to lie..

This is a stupid and fallacious strawman argument that does not in any way address the point I raised.

And another question, why has Brough gone to ground since this judgement was handed down? He's named 104 times in the judgement and he's disappeared. Not once has he been in front of the media to answer any questions. Again, I ask, what has he got to hide?

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can you tell me what lies he has made and what advice he gave Ashby?..and why would it bring down a govt???????


http://www.theage.co...0505-1y5zs.html
http://www.brisbanet...0505-1y55y.html
http://www.crikey.co...ure-mal-brough/

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is Rares suggesting slipper would have gone to jail over the sexual harassment case?? which is the only reason he would have been expelled from parliament surely?

Justice Rares dismissed the case. That says a fair bit about the merits of the case.

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do you think gillard will reinstate him to speaker?..after all hes DONE NOTHING WRONG.

I think Slipper won't want to be Speaker again.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 09:45 AM

View Postcods, on 31 December 2012 - 06:37 AM, said:

the full blood aborigine seems to agree it does work...its those that are more white than black that prefer not to see harmony and respect for oneself return to the aboriginal race..when every aboriginal child goes to school every day with a clean face and a packed lunch I will then say its a beginning..

in the mean time when everything is only about money... I shake my head.

What a total load of bollocks, often put this way by racist idiots.
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Posted 31 December 2012 - 11:39 AM

Scotto: Right on! This sort of stuff has no place in civilised discourse. It is nonsense.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 02:53 PM

Now Slipper has been summonsed over the taxi vouchers. Recall that the judge who threw out Ashby's sexual harassment claim stated that these accusation were part of the abuse of process on Ashby's part:

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Justice Rares has criticised Mr Ashby's decision to include the accusations in his claim, saying that in his opinion their "predominant purpose" was to assist in the political attack on Mr Slipper.
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Posted 07 January 2013 - 05:01 PM

View Postscotto, on 07 January 2013 - 02:53 PM, said:

Now Slipper has been summonsed over the taxi vouchers. Recall that the judge who threw out Ashby's sexual harassment claim stated that these accusation were part of the abuse of process on Ashby's part:





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It is understood the charges have nothing to do with an issue relating to the use of blank taxi dockets raised, and later dropped, in a civil court matter brought by Mr Slipper's former staffer James Ashby.

The charges are believed to relate to Mr Slipper's use of hire cars in January, March and June 2010, when he was a Liberal National Party MP.

It is alleged he used the cars beyond the boundary of the ACT - breaching a little-known rule concerning MPs' travel.


http://www.theaustra...e-1226549061503



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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:54 AM

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Yes it will be interesting to see if this causes any further damage to the ALP (I doubt it)...... bet you the ALP regret this stunt of making him the speaker. Maybe its a good idea to keep a few grubs around to cross the floor to damage the government, Slipper at best is a poison challis.... at worse he could bring down the government before the next election ...... what was the theory about the upside on this stunt ?
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 06:59 AM

It was always a political manouvre from the start.
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 02:01 PM

View PostRightSaidFred, on 08 January 2013 - 04:54 AM, said:

Yes it will be interesting to see if this causes any further damage to the ALP (I doubt it)......

It's more likely to damage the Coalition considering he was a member of the LNP when he allegedly did this.
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