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Posted 24 April 2012 - 04:27 PM

View Posticey, on 24 April 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:



On the involvement or otherwise of Abbott-Abbott-Abbott, there was no talk of cabcharge fraud back in the days of the alleged video (2003),



Maybe not Cabcharge per se, but plenty of fraud



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And in 2003, Finance asked him to repay $189.61 for exceeding the legal amount for "newspaper, personalised stationery and other printed material" entitlements.But the largest amounts refunded to Finance relate to family travel perks.

In one eight-month stretch – between July 2002 and March 2003 – Mr Slipper breached the family travel entitlement nine times and was forced to pay back $5079.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott continued to stand by his Liberal colleague, a spokesman said.


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Posted 24 April 2012 - 05:38 PM

View Posticey, on 24 April 2012 - 03:44 PM, said:

Thanks for the ABC link which provided a further link to the "Notice Of Filing And Hearing " court document. Didn't see anything in either to suggest that Ashby is bisexual or married. Not that it matters other than to the substance of your little jibe. He openly admits that he's homosexual which probably reduces his claim.

For my money, it's a remarkably detailed account of alleged events and one that I'd have trouble concocting. Still, it can all be tested in court in the light of personal testimony, supporting documents, forensic evidence etc, but if I were a gambling man, my money would be big time with the applicant.

On the involvement or otherwise of Abbott-Abbott-Abbott, there was no talk of cabcharge fraud back in the days of the alleged video (2003), and the video was deemed "consensual". For me personally, I would hear alarm bells ringing loud and clear, but for more (lowercase) liberal types, it's probably all honkey dorey. Now by most accounts, Abbott is not a liberal, but to the liberal visitors here (especially NBN advocates!), any problems with a raunchy consensual video between the MP and a male staffer? Sackable offence?

Not Ashby being bisexual - Slipper. Remember him? Ashby is well known to be gay.

The account sounds detailed -they always are by the time a lawyer gets them ready. The facts may be tested in court, we'll see then how accurate the account really is then. You'd be a fool to bet on initial submissions in this kind of court case.

There was word of Cabcharge issues prior to Slipper's defection, and it was widely publicized that there were allegations on some sides at the time. As for consensual sex, even if there is a video of some of this, there is no problem from a legal point of view. Politically - who knows... the wife of a minister once stated on national television that she and hubby had had sex on his ministerial desk, and this didn't seem to cause any problems. If there's an issue of marital infidelity, that will be Slipper's problem.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 02:57 PM

Ever eloquent Barnaby Joyce's comment on the ex-speaker fawned by our Prime Minister:

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''Everyone knew Slipper had these devils,'' Joyce said. ''Why make him Speaker? We were quietly trying to ease the wheelie bin to the kerbside under cover of darkness and what does Julia Gillard do? She sneaks out, retrieves the wheelie bin, takes it to the middle of her kitchen and expects everyone to applaud how clever she's been.''


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Posted 28 April 2012 - 03:06 PM

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When Opposition Leader Tony Abbott was questioned about the allegation, he said he had no specific knowledge of any involvement by the Liberal party in assisting the man who lodged the claim, former staffer James Ashby.

Dr Emerson was sceptical of Mr Abbott's use of the word "specific", which he referred to as "weasel" speak.

"What did Mr Abbott really know?" he asked.


- Craig Emerson



Specific knowledge or general knowledge? Fair question, one which any competent journo would persue.

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Posted 28 April 2012 - 03:07 PM

"Fawned on"? Why didn't Howard, Abbott &co. act earlier if they knew so much? Surely it couldn't have been a political decision? The Lib/NAT halo[sic.] is threatening to become a noose.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 03:57 PM

View PostGeorgeParsons, on 28 April 2012 - 03:07 PM, said:

"Fawned on"? Why didn't Howard, Abbott &co. act earlier if they knew so much? Surely it couldn't have been a political decision? The Lib/NAT halo[sic.] is threatening to become a noose.


Well firstly, the lack of action earlier is not a winner in my books. The guy was tainted and should have been turfed earlier.

That said, it's a question of who comes out looking grubbier? The party that was not especially "quietly trying to ease the wheelie bin to the kerbside under cover of darkness", or the Prime Minister who with forewarning of his background, embraced him into to her party's bosom?

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"Fawning: Give a servile display of exaggerated flattery or affection, typically in order to gain favour"


Disendorsement is neither flattering nor affectionate.

Yep! I'd say Gillard was fawning.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:13 PM

View PostHDMC, on 28 April 2012 - 03:06 PM, said:

- Craig Emerson



Specific knowledge or general knowledge? Fair question, one which any competent journo would persue.

This had occured to me also.
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Posted 28 April 2012 - 08:14 PM

View Posticey, on 28 April 2012 - 02:57 PM, said:

Ever eloquent Barnaby Joyce's comment on the ex-speaker fawned by our Prime Minister:


" .. the cover of darkness" great. Go BJ. Again. Sort of says it all, doesn't it?
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Posted 29 April 2012 - 12:47 PM

Gillard's "complete confidence in the member for Dobell" has miraculously been transformed into a "dark cloud".

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JULIA GILLARD says she is trying to rid parliament of a "dark cloud" by having Craig Thomson quit Labor and asking Peter Slipper to remain stood down as Speaker.


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“I understand that Mr Slipper and Mr Thomson have caused Australians to be concerned about standard in public life today,” Ms Gillard said in Canberra.


Good move, and the sentiments expressed spot on. Pity she didn't make her move a long, long time ago. And to be fair, ditto for the Libs with slippery Pete, but as Abbott has said, they did not promote him to Speaker!
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Posted 30 April 2012 - 08:34 AM

View Posticey, on 29 April 2012 - 12:47 PM, said:

Gillard's "complete confidence in the member for Dobell" has miraculously been transformed into a "dark cloud".





Good move, and the sentiments expressed spot on. Pity she didn't make her move a long, long time ago. And to be fair, ditto for the Libs with slippery Pete, but as Abbott has said, they did not promote him to Speaker!

Supposedly Thomson offered to resign and sit as an independent about two years ago - I have no idea why Gillard did not jump at the offer. Mind you, at that point there didn't seem to be much in it. Now the issue has ballooned to a large governance issue at the HSU, and moreover, what looks more and more like a really huge faction fight for control of the union.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 04:17 PM

It seems Prissy Chrissy had drinkies and exchanged phone numbers with James Ashby not long prior to the complaints being lodged.



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National Times[/url] has learnt that on the night of March 19, about 9.30pm, Mr Pyne - the manager of opposition business in the House of Representatives - met Mr Ashby and another Slipper staffer in the Speaker's office.

Two separate sources have confirmed details of the meeting to the National Times. Both insist Mr Pyne rang back later the same evening to request Mr Ashby's mobile phone number.

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Posted 01 May 2012 - 07:29 PM

View PostHDMC, on 01 May 2012 - 04:17 PM, said:

It seems Prissy Chrissy had drinkies and exchanged phone numbers with James Ashby not long prior to the complaints being lodged.


"I had no specific knowledge of these claims ... until I read about them in the newspaper in the News Ltd press"
Did he have any prior knowledge?

I think Pyne has some questions to answer. If the media's making so much fuss about the allegations against Slipper, the Opposition must be subject to the same scrutiny.
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Posted 01 May 2012 - 09:38 PM

View PostBam, on 01 May 2012 - 07:29 PM, said:

"I had no specific knowledge of these claims ... until I read about them in the newspaper in the News Ltd press"
Did he have any prior knowledge?

I think Pyne has some questions to answer. If the media's making so much fuss about the allegations against Slipper, the Opposition must be subject to the same scrutiny.

The whole affair has so many dirty fingerprints on it, with the largest number belonging to the coalition... But who knows if the whole story will ever come up.
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:44 AM

View Postscotto, on 01 May 2012 - 09:38 PM, said:

The whole affair has so many dirty fingerprints on it, with the largest number belonging to the coalition... But who knows if the whole story will ever come up.


Probably wont unless Ashby cracks.



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The Herald website reported that Mr Pyne, the opposition's chief strategist, spent almost two hours drinking and chatting with Mr Ashby on the night of March 19 in Mr Slipper's office, while Mr Slipper was in the chamber.

Mr Pyne, who on Sunday said his previous contact with Mr Ashby had been ''brief'', confirmed the drinks occurred, but said ''I don't remember ever having asked for Mr Ashby's number''.

Mr Pyne said Mr Ashby did not raise with him the allegations that were subsequently levelled at Mr Slipper and he had never telephoned Mr Ashby.

In a rare public statement, Mr Ashby said: ''I have nothing to say regarding Mr Pyne's comments''.



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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:00 AM

View PostHDMC, on 02 May 2012 - 05:44 AM, said:

Probably wont unless Ashby cracks.

Likely you're right, although Pyne expecting everyone to expect that his casual 2 hours with Ashby doesn't mean anything is a sick joke.
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:13 AM

The Coalition get a good run in the Media. However there is a real stench about this "brief" meeting.
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 10:29 AM

View PostGeorgeParsons, on 02 May 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

The Coalition get a good run in the Media. However there is a real stench about this "brief" meeting.


On the subject of "stench", there's more uplifting news for the dwindling numbers of "on again, off again" supporters of Thomson and Slipper:


Police raid HSU headquarters in Sydney


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Just when things could not seem to get any worse for the embattled Health
Services Union, police have just raided their Sydney headquarters.


...... Police are expected to spend most of the day at the union



But wait. There’s more!


Police to investigate Peter Slipper over his Cabcharge misuses

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All referrals received by the AFP first have to be “evaluated” before an investigation can be accepted, the AFP said.

“This evaluation considers relevant Commonwealth legislation, the likelihood of a criminal offence and the AFP's resources,” the AFP said.

“As part of the evaluation process for this referral, AFP investigators spoke to a number of potential witnesses and gathered information in relation to the matter.

“The AFP has now assessed that the matter requires further investigation.”





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Posted 02 May 2012 - 12:43 PM

View Posticey, on 02 May 2012 - 10:29 AM, said:

On the subject of "stench", there's more uplifting news for the dwindling numbers of "on again, off again" supporters of Thomson and Slipper:


All good news; the HSU freeloaders need offloading in a big way. It's still unclear that criminal matters will proceed, but if so - bring it on.

Regarding Slipper, the sooner it starts the sooner it's over. I have to say that it will be interesting if material from previous years come up in the AFP investigation, as this will obviously go straight to the LNP door.
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 02:18 PM

View PostGeorgeParsons, on 02 May 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

The Coalition get a good run in the Media. However there is a real stench about this "brief" meeting.

Pee-yew! You sure are right. Notice the heavy use of weasel words by Abbott and Pyne when asked about this: "no detailed knowledge" ... "no specific knowledge" ... They sure as hell knew something, but the dumb-as-rocks media aren't noticing this. There's something there all right. It's a shame that many in the media are too gutless to ask probing questions in case they bring the wrath of Murdoch down upon themselves.

The Coalition have form on conspiracies. To believe that there's no conspiracy this time is too unbelievable, especially in light of the carefully-worded denials.
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Posted 02 May 2012 - 05:29 PM

View PostBam, on 02 May 2012 - 02:18 PM, said:

To believe that there's no conspiracy this time is too unbelievable, especially in light of the carefully-worded denials.


Slightly tangential to your line of arguing, I wonder how a conspiracy might affect the veracity of the allegations of sexual harassment and credit card fraud. Seems like red herring territory to me.
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