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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:11 AM

Interesting - previously some have claimed that the are more guns in Australia than 1996 but apparently this isn't the case.

Obvously we have been doing some things right in terms of spree killings. Also too we don't have the rabid "gun culture" that they do in the US, where many people seem the feel that having a gun is a primary form of self-expression.
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Posted 14 January 2013 - 07:40 AM

Same news from another source.

Australians own as many guns as in 1996

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A study has found Australians now own as many guns as they did at the time of the Port Arthur shootings in 1996.

More than one million guns were destroyed in the aftermath of the massacre, but research shows Australians have restocked over the last 10 years, importing more than one million firearms.

Despite that, the number of gun-related deaths have halved since the gun buyback.
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Posted 07 February 2013 - 08:08 PM

A glimpse of the future.

Flying machine gun
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 07:26 AM

That's a beauty!
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:15 AM

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New Australian Study Shows More Guns, Less Crime

Monday, 4 March 2013, 9:51 am
Press Release: WiSH
New Australian Study Shows More Guns, Less Crime

New research shows there are more guns but less gun crime in New South Wales, Australia. Although the number of legally owned firearms has increased substantially over the past decade, firearm crime has decreased.

The study, in press with an international peer-reviewed journal, found that the number of murders with a firearm, shoot with intent to murder offences, and armed robbery with a firearm have all declined steadily despite ongoing rises in legal firearms ownership.

The author of the study, Dr Samara McPhedran, said “Typically, Australian firearms legislation has been based on a ‘less guns, less crime’ view, which assumes that reducing the number of legally owned guns in society will lead to reductions in firearm misuse.”

“However, the results from this study suggest there is little, if any, relationship between the number of legally owned guns in Australia’s most populous jurisdiction, and levels of gun crime in that state.”

“In other words, more guns does not mean more crime.”

The study found no evidence that rising levels of legal firearm ownership are linked with increasing levels of firearm theft; the opposite was observed, with ongoing declines in theft occurring over a period of years.

The study concludes targeted law enforcement interventions that disrupt criminal activity, along with community-based crime prevention initiatives, may be the most appropriate and effective focus for violence reduction strategies.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 08:20 AM

Hmm... that's only a presser - source unknown. I'd wait for more info before I trumpted this too loudly.

The author is described on the 2GB radio website as: ".. a representative of the International Coalition of Women Shooters and Hunters Association" and is listed in this way on Wikipedia as well.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 12:05 PM

View Postscotto, on 06 March 2013 - 08:20 AM, said:

Hmm... that's only a presser - source unknown. I'd wait for more info before I trumpted [trumpeted?]this too loudly.

The author is described on the 2GB radio website as: ".. a representative of the International Coalition of Women Shooters and Hunters Association" and is listed in this way on Wikipedia as well.

The description is a bit off but not entirely, she represents WiSH 'Women in Shooting and Hunting', if this reference is meant to indicate that Dr McPhedran is biased toward gun ownership then membership of anti hunting, anti gun ownership groups must indicate a bias in the opposite direction.

McPhedran is in good company however
Wikipedia:

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In 2005 the head of the New South Wales Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research, Don Weatherburn,[34] noted that the level of legal gun ownership in New South Wales increased in recent years, and that the 1996 legislation had had little to no effect on violence. Professor Simon Chapman, former co-convenor of the Coalition for Gun Control, complained that his words "will henceforth be cited by every gun-lusting lobby group throughout the world in their perverse efforts to stall reforms that could save thousands of lives".[35] Weatherburn responded, "The fact is that the introduction of those laws did not result in any acceleration of the downward trend in gun homicide. They may have reduced the risk of mass shootings but we cannot be sure because no one has done the rigorous statistical work required to verify this possibility. It is always unpleasant to acknowledge facts that are inconsistent with your own point of view. But I thought that was what distinguished science from popular prejudice."[36]
In 2006, the lack of a measurable effect from the 1996 firearms legislation was reported in the British Journal of Criminology. Using ARIMA analysis, Dr Jeanine Baker (a former state president of the SSAA(SA)) and Dr Samara McPhedran (Women in Shooting and Hunting) found no evidence for an impact of the laws on homicide.[37]
Weatherburn described the Baker & McPhedran article as "reputable" and "well-conducted" and stated that the available data are insufficient to draw stronger conclusions.[38] Weatherburn noted the importance of actively policing illegal firearm trafficking and argued that there was little evidence that the new laws had helped in this regard.[39
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:59 PM

View PostRoderick, on 06 March 2013 - 12:05 PM, said:

The description is a bit off but not entirely, she represents WiSH 'Women in Shooting and Hunting', if this reference is meant to indicate that Dr McPhedran is biased toward gun ownership then membership of anti hunting, anti gun ownership groups must indicate a bias in the opposite direction.

McPhedran is in good company however
Wikipedia:

Fair enough. Less mass shootings is enough for me.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:33 PM

View Postscotto, on 06 March 2013 - 01:59 PM, said:

Fair enough. Less mass shootings is enough for me.

Let us all sincerely hope so, but with the media continually pushing crime and its glorification before us, I doubt that we have seen the last grab for instant fame and a place in the history books.

The latest offering of glorified crime and sleaziness is

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Underbelly Squizzy Coming Soon on Nine
A Screentime production for the Nine Network, the sixth instalment in this iconic series will chronicle the exploits of Joseph Theodore Leslie Taylor, known to all as “Squizzy” – the celebrity gangster whose ego and ambition knew no boundaries.
Spanning the years from 1915 to 1927, Underbelly Squizzy tells the epic story of Squizzy’s relentless quest for power, ultimately creating a public persona that made him the first superstar gangster of the 20th Century.

Mudia

So the undersized murdering thief finally makes it bigtime.
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 03:38 PM

View PostRoderick, on 06 March 2013 - 03:33 PM, said:

Let us all sincerely hope so, but with the media continually pushing crime and its glorification before us, I doubt that we have seen the last grab for instant fame and a place in the history books.

The latest offering of glorified crime and sleaziness is
Mudia

So the undersized murdering thief finally makes it bigtime.


I've heard good reports on the show's watchability, but have been deterred by reports of extreme glorification of crime and have not seen a single episode. Not that I've never watched any shows that glorify crime to some degree.
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Posted 30 March 2013 - 09:39 AM

Meanwhile in the real world of stopping criminals from getting weapons:

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Manhunt underway for NSW Police employee
5:54pm March 29, 2013

A statewide manhunt is underway for a NSW Police civilian employee who is suspected of taking police weaponry and having links to organised crime.

Alan James Cumberland has been a senior armourer working with firearms at the NSW Police Force centre in Surry Hills, in inner Sydney.
A raid on his Berkeley Vale home on Thursday allegedly uncovered firearms that investigators believe were misappropriated from the Surry Hills facility.
Other items allegedly seized from Mr Cumberland's Central Coast property include firearms parts, ammunition of various calibres, machining equipment and prohibited weapons.

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Posted 16 April 2013 - 04:33 PM

Sporting Shooters Association of Australia (NSW) Inc
30 Power Street, St Marys NSW 2760
Phone – (02) 8889 0400 Fax – (02) 8889 0442
Email – admin@nsw.ssaa.org.au
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Media Release

4360 Safe Shooting Tests completed in 2012

Sporting Shooters Association of Australia NSW Safe Shooting Instructors conducted 4360 Firearms
Safety Tests throughout the State in 2012 according to SSAA NSW Executive Director Diana Melham.
Ms Melham said that the Association had almost 200 Safe Shooting Instructors throughout the State
teaching participants the safe and responsible way to handle and use firearms.
“We are committed to promoting firearm safety throughout the State.”
Ms Melham said that it was a requirement for anyone applying for a NSW Firearms Licence to sit a
Firearms Safety Test approved by the NSW Firearms Registry.”
“Everyone who applies for a NSW Firearms Licence must be able to pass a theory based test before completing a practical safe handling assessment.”
“These figures show that 90 people every week are learning the importance of firearm safety from a SSAA NSW Safe Shooting Instructor.”

“The popularity of the shooting sports is at record levels.”
Ms Melham said that SSAA NSW had set ambitious membership goals of reaching 50,000 by the end of 2013 and 60,000 by the end of 2014.
“And with more than 47,000 current members, SSAA NSW is well on the way to reaching these lofty goals,” Ms Melham added.
“Shooting is one of the safest sports that you can get involved in, with a safety record that few other sports can match.”

Ms Melham said that anyone interested in sitting the Firearms Safety Test should visit the SSAA NSW website at www.ssaansw.org.au
“We have Safe Shooting Instructors throughout the State, and they would be only too happy to introduce you to our great sport.”
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 04:47 PM

With news that NSW crime is generally down over the last 20 years, we would really, have to say "less guns, less crime," wouldn't we?

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The head of the Bureau of Crime Statistics says the latest figures on long-term crime trends show New South Wales is a much safer place now than 10 or 20 years ago.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:32 PM

View Postscotto, on 18 April 2013 - 04:47 PM, said:

With news that NSW crime is generally down over the last 20 years, we would really, have to say "less guns, less crime," wouldn't we?

No we wouldn't because there are now more guns in civilian hands in Australia than there were in 1996, the year of the Great Gun Grab.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:10 PM

View PostRoderick, on 18 April 2013 - 09:32 PM, said:

No we wouldn't because there are now more guns in civilian hands in Australia than there were in 1996, the year of the Great Gun Grab.

But in a more strictly controlled manner.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:26 PM

View Postscotto, on 18 April 2013 - 10:10 PM, said:

But in a more strictly controlled manner.

Is that so?

I wonder how all those criminals doing the shootings in the Western Suburbs are getting their pistol licences?
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Posted 15 August 2013 - 05:24 PM

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WOULD BANNING FIREARMS REDUCE
MURDER AND SUICIDE?
[first page]
A REVIEW OF INTERNATIONAL AND
SOME DOMESTIC EVIDENCE
DON B.KATES*
AND GARYMAUSER**
INTRODUCTION ............................................................650
I. VIOLENCE:THEDECISIVENESS OF
SOCIAL FACTORS...................................................660
II. ASKING THEWRONGQUESTION..........................662
III. DO ORDINARY PEOPLEMURDER?........................665
IV. MOREGUNS, LESSCRIME?....................................670
V. GEOGRAPHIC,HISTORICALANDDEMOGRAPHIC
PATTERNS...............................................................673
A. Demographic Patterns ..................................676
B. Macro‐historical Evidence: From the
Middle Ages to the 20th Century .................678
C. Later and More Specific Macro‐Historical
Evidence..........................................................684
D. Geographic Patterns within Nations ..........685
*Don B. Kates (LL.B., Yale, 1966) is an American criminologist and constitutional
lawyer associated with the Pacific Research Institute, San Francisco. He may be con‐
tacted at dbkates@earthlink.net; 360‐666‐2688; 22608 N.E. 269th Ave., Battle Ground,
WA98604.
**Gary Mauser(Ph.D., University of California, Irvine, 1970) is a Canadian crimi‐
nologist and university professor at Simon Fraser University, Burnaby, BC Canada.
He may be contacted at www.garymauser.net, mauser@sfu.ca, and 604‐291‐3652.
We gratefully acknowledge the generous contributions of Professor Thomas B. Cole
(University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Social Medicine and Epidemiology);
Chief Superintendent Colin Greenwood (West Yorkshire Constabulary, ret.); C.B.
Kates; Abigail Kohn (University of Sydney, Law); David B. Kopel (Independence
Institute); Professor Timothy D. Lytton (Albany Law School); Professor William
Alex Pridemore (University of Oklahoma, Sociology); Professor Randolph Roth
(Ohio State University, History); Professor Thomas Velk (McGill University, Eco‐
nomics and Chairman of the North American Studies Program); Professor Robert
Weisberg (Stanford Law School); and John Whitley (University of Adelaide, Eco‐
nomics). Any merits of this paper reflect their advice and contributions; errors are
entirely ours.650 Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy

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CONCLUSION [last two pages]
This Article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence
from a wide variety of international sources. Each individual
portion of evidence is subject to cavil—at the very least the
general objection that the persuasiveness of social scientific
evidence cannot remotely approach the persuasiveness of
conclusions in the physical sciences. Nevertheless, the bur‐
den of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal
more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, espe‐
cially since they argue public policy ought to be based on
that mantra.149 To bear that burden would at the very least
require showing that a large number of nations with more
guns have more death and that nations that have imposed
stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions
in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are
not observed when a large number of nations are compared
across the world.
Over a decade ago, Professor Brandon Centerwall of the Uni‐
versity ofWashingtonundertook anextensive, statistically sophis‐
ticated study comparing areas in the United States and Canada to
determine whether Canada’s more restrictive policies had better
contained criminal violence. When he published his results it was
withthe admonition:
If you are surprised by [our] finding[s], so [are we]. [We] did
not begin this research with any intent to “exonerate” hand‐
guns, but there itis—a negative finding, to be sure, but a nega‐
tive finding is nevertheless a positive contribution. It directs us
wherenottoaimpublichealthresources.150

Reference.
Volume 30, Number 2 of the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy (pp. 649-694)

Interesting table p.652.

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Table 1: European Gun Ownership and Murder Rates
(rates given are per 100,000 people and in descending order)

Nation Murder Rate-------Rate of Gun Ownership
Russia 20.54 [2002]------4,000
Luxembourg 9.01 [2002]---c. 0
Hungary 2.22 [2003]------2,000
Finland 1.98 [2004]------39,000
Sweden 1.87 [2001]-------24,000
Poland 1.79 [2003]-------1,500
France 1.65 [2003]-------30,000
Denmark 1.21 [2003]------19,000
Greece 1.12 [2003]-------11,000
Switzerland 0.99 [2003]--16,000
Germany 0.93 [2003]------30,000
Norway 0.81 [2001]-------36,000
Austria 0.80 [2002]------17,000

Notes: This table covers all the Continental European nations for which
the two data sets given are both available. In every case, we have given
the homicide data for 2003 or the closest year thereto because that is the
year of the publication from which the gun ownership data are taken. Gun
ownership data comes from GRADUATE INSTITUTE OF INTERNATIONAL
STUDIES, SMALLARMS SURVEY64 tbl.2.2, 65 tbl.2.3 (2003).
The homicide rate data comes from an annually published report,
CANADIAN CENTRE FOR JUSTICE STATISTICS, HOMICIDE IN CANADA,
JURISTAT, forthe years 2001–2004. Each year’s report gives homicide sta‐
tistics for a dozen or so foreign nations in a section labeled “Homicide Rates for Selected Countries.” This section of the reports gives no explanation of why it selects the various nations whose homicide statistics it covers. Also without explanation, the nations covered differ from year to year. Thus, for instance, murder statistics for Germany and Hungary are
given in all four of the pamphlets (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004), for Russia in
three years (2001, 2002, and 2004), for France in two years (2001 and 2003),
and for Norway and Sweden in only one year(2001).


So, once again, more guns = less crime.
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Posted 26 October 2013 - 08:56 AM

For all those that think that having a pistol is useless in the face of those having "the drop" on one:

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Sydney Morning Herald for Tuesday, November the 7th, 1995.

Businessman shoots 'raskols'


By Lucy Palmer

PORT MORESBY, Monday: A buisenessman has left Papua New Guinea
after he shot dead four armed "raskols" who assaulted diners in a Port Moresby restaurant on Friday night.

Police confirmed that the businessman and long-term resident of Port Moresby, believed to be an Italian, was in Australia and would not be charged over the shooting.
"He's not been charged with anything; we believe he was acting in self defence,and he's justified under the law," a police spokesman said.
....
The killings have shocked the Papua New Guinea capital, although many expatriates and senior govenment officials said their sympathies lay with the man who was having dinner with his pregnant wife.

"This is the first time a large group of armed attackers were given a dose of their own medicine," a spokesman for the Prime Minister, Sir Julius Chan, said.

"The law-abiding citizens, if they have the means, can retaliate with or without the help of law enforcement officers," he said.

Police said the gang burst into the popular Cathay Club at about 10pm on Friday, shooting dead a security guard.

They ordered the diners to lie on the floor and began emptying their pockets. The gang saw a bulge in the trouser pocket of the expatriate businessman and, believing it to be a wallet, ordered him to hand it over.
The man then pulled out a loaded pistol, for which he had a licence, and immediately shot several of the gang.

Two were killed instantly. The bodies of another two were found later outside. Another two suspects, who were also wounded, were in the Port Moresby General Hospital under police guard.
.... A female patron suffered a gun pellet injury to the buttock.


Speed kills.
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