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Posted 22 August 2012 - 10:38 AM

View PostRoderick, on 22 August 2012 - 10:18 AM, said:

There are other methods, but let's hear your's now.

Why? This isn't a discussion about how to defend yourself from a dog.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:00 AM

View Postscotto, on 22 August 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

Why? This isn't a discussion about how to defend yourself from a dog.

It came up in relation to the general restriction on having anything with the intention of self defence and to which you were willing to reply, so don't come the OT bit to avoid giving us the benefit of your wide understanding of the world; who knows you might just save someone from serious injury?

Go on, do it for your fellow citizens.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 11:04 AM

View PostRoderick, on 22 August 2012 - 11:00 AM, said:

It came up in relation to the general restriction on having anything with the intention of self defence and to which you were willing to reply, so don't come the OT bit to avoid giving us the benefit of your wide understanding of the world; who knows you might just save someone from serious injury?

Go on, do it for your fellow citizens.

No, you brought it up. With not much apparent relevance to the topic.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 12:22 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 August 2012 - 11:04 AM, said:

No, you brought it up. With not much apparent relevance to the topic.

But you replied, so just give us the benefit of your wisdom.
Surely you know what you'd do if attacked by a slavering, fangs bared, growling dog?
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:30 PM

View PostRoderick, on 22 August 2012 - 12:22 PM, said:

But you replied, so just give us the benefit of your wisdom.
Surely you know what you'd do if attacked by a slavering, fangs bared, growling dog?

Sure. If you're wearing shorts this is easier. Pull the inside leg of your short up, letting your testicles dangle out freely. Rub them along the dog's back. If it has very short fur this may tickle, but be carefull not to be distracted.

The dog will naturally feel quite perplexed by this behaviour, and usually wander off, or attempt to lick. Your choice.

I usually carry concealed, dressing to the left for a right handed draw, but your own comfort is important for this arrangement.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:46 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 August 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Sure. If you're wearing shorts this is easier. Pull the inside leg of your short up, letting your testicles dangle out freely. Rub them along the dog's back. If it has very short fur this may tickle, but be carefull not to be distracted.

The dog will naturally feel quite perplexed by this behaviour, and usually wander off, or attempt to lick. Your choice.

I usually carry concealed, dressing to the left for a right handed draw, but your own comfort is important for this arrangement.

Very droll and sexist; don't you care about women, what will they do?
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 01:52 PM

View PostRoderick, on 22 August 2012 - 01:46 PM, said:

Very droll and sexist; don't you care about women, what will they do?

Not sure.. perhaps you could help out?
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:15 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 August 2012 - 01:52 PM, said:

Not sure.. perhaps you could help out?

Well, if they legally carry a walking stick then the drill when confronted by a savage dog is, first and foremost, NOT to hit at the dog.
What one does for best results is bend the arm that is holding the stick, with the hand at about the middle of the chest.
Present the point to the dog, but keeping the arm bent at all times.
The dog will usually attack the stick, so at the instant that it bites straighten the arm and lunge forward at the same time, thus driving the stick down through the animals throat and possibly puncturing the lungs or doing other major damage.

It is usual for the walking stick to be undamaged apart from a few scratches.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:26 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 August 2012 - 01:30 PM, said:

Sure......


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Posted 22 August 2012 - 02:47 PM

View PostRoderick, on 22 August 2012 - 02:15 PM, said:

Well, if they legally carry a walking stick then the drill when confronted by a savage dog is, first and foremost, NOT to hit at the dog.
What one does for best results is bend the arm that is holding the stick, with the hand at about the middle of the chest.
Present the point to the dog, but keeping the arm bent at all times.
The dog will usually attack the stick, so at the instant that it bites straighten the arm and lunge forward at the same time, thus driving the stick down through the animals throat and possibly puncturing the lungs or doing other major damage.

It is usual for the walking stick to be undamaged apart from a few scratches.
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Hooray for walking sticks.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 03:52 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 August 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Hooray for walking sticks.

Useful, aren't they?
Is there a good reason why people are forbidden to carry them for defence against dogs?

Seems like the Government, that can't apparently do anything to stop dog attacks and provides no protection against them, is utterly uncaring for the well being of its vulnerable citizens.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 04:42 PM

... so now it's... more walking sticks, less crime?
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 05:31 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 August 2012 - 04:42 PM, said:

... so now it's... more walking sticks, less crime?

Certainly less dog bites and if people learn to use the walking stick then, yes, less crime.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 05:49 PM

View PostRoderick, on 22 August 2012 - 05:31 PM, said:

Certainly less dog bites and if people learn to use the walking stick then, yes, less crime.

Still not convinced, although if everyone wants to carry a walking stick that's fine with me.
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 06:54 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 August 2012 - 05:49 PM, said:

Still not convinced, although if everyone wants to carry a walking stick that's fine with me.

But do you know the full potential of the walking stick as a defensive weapon?
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 07:43 PM

View PostRoderick, on 22 August 2012 - 06:54 PM, said:

But do you know the full potential of the walking stick as a defensive weapon?

Perhaps. Are you trying to generate fear?
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Posted 22 August 2012 - 08:59 PM

View Postscotto, on 22 August 2012 - 07:43 PM, said:

Perhaps. Are you trying to generate fear?

How on earth would knowing the full potential of a walking stick generate fear?

You getting paranoid?
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 06:43 AM

View PostRoderick, on 22 August 2012 - 08:59 PM, said:

How on earth would knowing the full potential of a walking stick generate fear?

You getting paranoid?

Why bang on with all these details continually?
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 09:19 AM

View PostRoderick, on 22 August 2012 - 07:13 AM, said:

Sorry about that, I only intended to post part, however it's a Press Release and not subject to copyright.

A fair point.

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What the SSAA have to say can be taken as gospel, ever notice the Greens or Gun Control Australia saying that the SSAA have lied?

Firstly, what is SSAA?

Secondly, I don't accept anything as "gospel". Religion and politics must be kept separate.
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Posted 23 August 2012 - 09:53 AM

View PostBam, on 23 August 2012 - 09:19 AM, said:

A fair point.


Firstly, what is SSAA?

Secondly, I don't accept anything as "gospel". Religion and politics must be kept separate.

Firstly, follow the link. SSAA is the Sporting Shooters' Association of Australia, a body well respected and a consultant to Governments.
Never been known to lie on firearms matters and a constant critic of the Greens and Gun Control Australia, being adept at catching them out in lies and fudged statistics.
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