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#1 User is offline   Roderick 

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Posted 02 November 2012 - 01:03 PM

In answer to a question from NotFrogman I answered:

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However in regard to "How about you personally? Do you just ignore laws if you don't think they should apply?"
The answer is 'Yes', I break laws that I consider should not apply quite frequently, especially on the road, such as Stop signs at Railway Crossings when I know that there won't be a train and even some times when there is a moving train close to the crossing.
I ignore speed limits when they are ridiculous and exceed them if I feel like it, by the same token there are times when I don't drive anywhere near the maximum limit when I consider that it would be stupid to do so and dawdle along at my own pace and to hell with following traffic, although I let them pass if they want to do so.


I also break or ignore a number of other road rules/laws if it suits me at the time.

How about other people?

Do you always obey the Law?
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:27 PM

Sounds like you're an Aleister Crowley type of guy.
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Posted 02 November 2012 - 02:57 PM

View Postscotto, on 02 November 2012 - 02:27 PM, said:

Sounds like you're an Aleister Crowley type of guy.


Hardly, although I've worked a bit of magic at times it has been of a more mundane type.
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 03:43 PM

Absolutely....without question
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Posted 03 November 2012 - 03:56 PM

View Postdumbcluck, on 03 November 2012 - 03:43 PM, said:

Absolutely....without question

Then you could find yourself doing somewhat ridiculous things, if in NSW, and even exposing yourself to added danger.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:21 AM

It depends what law you are talking about as to whether you are in more danger when abiding by it rather than violating it. Take for instance laws regarding intruders on your property. I will never obtain any armament like a gun to defend myself against intruders for two reasons. Firstly you must use what is defined as "reasonable force" to defend your property against intruders and shooting an intruder cold (which may not be defined as "reasonable force" depending on the circumstances) may lay you open to a charge of manslaughter should s/he die.
Secondly even if you succeed in holding up an intruder by threat of a gun this action may ensue in a struggle with that intruder for that gun and either of you could end up shot.
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Posted 04 November 2012 - 08:37 AM

I was thinking more along the lines of road laws/regulations, like obeying STOP signs when there is no earthly reason to do so, or ridiculous speed limits that are absolutely inappropriate.
Or adhering strictly to those regarding mobile phones whilst driving.
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Posted 05 November 2012 - 07:25 AM

Well I am not a car user so it does not apply to me. Last time I drove, some years ago, all I knew was that the vehicle on the "right" had always the right of way.I do not know whether this still applies today
And if there was an accident between two vehicles..."front to back" collision...then the vehicle at the back was always at fault.Once again I do not know whether this is applicable today
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Posted 06 November 2012 - 04:27 PM

One of the laws in NSW that many people broke was the stupid one that said that it was an offence to cross the left hand, or kerb side, unbroken white line except for the purpose of stopping or turning.

Unsuspecting and otherwise law abiding motorist would pull over the line to let following traffic go through and then the police in the line of traffic would book the motorist for his/her act of courtesy.
A New England farmer towing a horse trailer was booked (and subsequently fined) when he pulled over the line to let several vehicles pass that had caught up to his necessarily slow vehicle.
He was the last one that I heard of before this piece of legislative stupidity was repealed.

I wonder how many people were fined over the years.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 07:20 AM

Yes lawmakers do sometimes become zealots in their mission. You see no law is perfect and every law has a loophole. They consequently attempt to plug every loophole but end up creating a nonsensical law
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

Depends on the law.

Some laws exist for good reason. We have laws against drinking excessive quantities of alcohol and then driving because it is well established that such conduct is dangerous to the drink driver and to other road users. I do not tolerate anyone flouting this law.

Other laws are rather silly and are often ignored. There's a local law here that states that items placed out on the kerb as part of a hard rubbish collection become the property of the council and anyone else helping themselves to such items is stealing from the council and can be prosecuted. If I have items out for hard rubbish and someone wants an item, if they ask first I would have no problem with them taking it.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:54 AM

View PostBam, on 08 November 2012 - 06:57 PM, said:

Depends on the law.

Some laws exist for good reason. We have laws against drinking excessive quantities of alcohol and then driving because it is well established that such conduct is dangerous to the drink driver and to other road users. I do not tolerate anyone flouting this law.

Other laws are rather silly and are often ignored. There's a local law here that states that items placed out on the kerb as part of a hard rubbish collection become the property of the council and anyone else helping themselves to such items is stealing from the council and can be prosecuted. If I have items out for hard rubbish and someone wants an item, if they ask first I would have no problem with them taking it.


Other councils have similar laws, one would think that councils would encourage people to take what they want as it means less work and less to dump, thus extending tip life.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 10:59 AM

Why have the STOP signs?

The Passenger or a fast freight isn't about to come charging through; this was taken some thirty years after the GNR was closed north of Armidale, NSW.

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Posted 09 November 2012 - 01:43 PM

View PostRoderick, on 09 November 2012 - 10:59 AM, said:

Why have the STOP signs?

The Passenger or a fast freight isn't about to come charging through; this was taken some thirty years after the GNR was closed north of Armidale, NSW.

Another point, why place signs to mark the level crossing if it is no longer in use?
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 02:57 PM

View PostBam, on 09 November 2012 - 01:43 PM, said:

Another point, why place signs to mark the level crossing if it is no longer in use?


There is possibly a difference of responsibilities, the road authorities being responsible for the type of restrictive sign whilst the railway is responsible for marking all grade crossings.
Leaving the crossing signs does give a grader driver a visual reminder to lift his tines (the hooks that rip the road material up) before he comes to an abrupt (read almost instantaneous) stop if he hooks the rails.
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 02:11 PM

View PostRoderick, on 04 November 2012 - 08:37 AM, said:

..adhering strictly to those regarding mobile phones whilst driving.

Anyone using a mobile phone while driving, even with a car kit or hands-free, is significantly retarding their ability to drive safely. A greaet deal of 'human factors' research has shown clear declines in attention while doing this and so it is doubtful that any phones should be used at all while driving, in any situation.

I'll dig out some citations when I get back to work next week.
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 05:05 PM

View Postscotto, on 10 November 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

Anyone using a mobile phone while driving, even with a car kit or hands-free, is significantly retarding their ability to drive safely. A greaet deal of 'human factors' research has shown clear declines in attention while doing this and so it is doubtful that any phones should be used at all while driving, in any situation.

I'll dig out some citations when I get back to work next week.


I, and others that I know, frequently use mobile phones while driving, a blanket ban is ridiculous.
What is the difference between a 'hands free' phone and using a wireless transmitter?
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 05:24 PM

View PostRoderick, on 10 November 2012 - 05:05 PM, said:

I, and others that I know, frequently use mobile phones while driving, a blanket ban is ridiculous.
What is the difference between a 'hands free' phone and using a wireless transmitter?

Just because you haven't had an accident yet doesn't mean using one doesn't affect you.

The effects come from the concentration required to have the conversation, not from holding the phone. You can think want you want out of ignorance, but the science is in.
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 09:57 PM

View Postscotto, on 10 November 2012 - 05:24 PM, said:

Just because you haven't had an accident yet doesn't mean using one doesn't affect you.

The effects come from the concentration required to have the conversation, not from holding the phone. You can think want you want out of ignorance, but the science is in.

The science is not all in, simply because all stuations and road conditions haven't been looked at.
What is the difference between using a 'hands free' etc and a wireless?
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 10:30 PM

View PostRoderick, on 10 November 2012 - 09:57 PM, said:

The science is not all in, simply because all stuations and road conditions haven't been looked at.
What is the difference between using a 'hands free' etc and a wireless?
no you are wrong.
http://www.vicroads....sAndDriving.htm

Why are you always so wrong?

http://www.dpti.sa.g...obile_phone_use

You are so very very wrong. Stop being wrong

http://en.m.wikipedi..._driving_safety

Maybe you should just stop posting, till you are less wrong?

http://www.unews.uta...p/062206-1.html

You aren't going to though. You are going to keep on posting shite that's wrong. Stop. Please.
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