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Posted 07 November 2012 - 11:58 AM

Watching the count, the poll predictions of a close race are being borne out.

As I post it, Obama is leading, 217-167 (goal is 270).

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Posted 07 November 2012 - 12:11 PM

View PostBam, on 07 November 2012 - 11:58 AM, said:

Watching the count, the poll predictions of a close race are being borne out.

As I post it, Obama is leading, 217-167 (goal is 270).

Live Map (ABC Online)

Still too close to call but what is highlighted, by the whole process, is that Australia has a far superior voting system.

There have been reports of people waiting for hours to cast their vote because of the length of the queues.
There is no way of accurately estimating how many people will turn up at any polling place to vote.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 01:33 PM

View PostRoderick, on 07 November 2012 - 12:11 PM, said:

Still too close to call

In the last 20 minutes, the networks have been declaring an Obama victory.

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but what is highlighted, by the whole process, is that Australia has a far superior voting system.

There have been reports of people waiting for hours to cast their vote because of the length of the queues.
There is no way of accurately estimating how many people will turn up at any polling place to vote.

In part, this is due to resistance in getting more polling places. Republicans are well-known for resisting measures that increase voter participation in poorer, Democratic-leaning areas.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:19 PM

View PostBam, on 07 November 2012 - 01:33 PM, said:

In the last 20 minutes, the networks have been declaring an Obama victory.


In part, this is due to resistance in getting more polling places. Republicans are well-known for resisting measures that increase voter participation in poorer, Democratic-leaning areas.




And voting on a Tuesday??



"Hey Boss, can I take a break from flipping burgers to go down and vote?"

"Yeah, sure. And don't bother coming back."
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 04:24 PM

View PostHDMC, on 07 November 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

And voting on a Tuesday??



"Hey Boss, can I take a break from flipping burgers to go down and vote?"

"Yeah, sure. And don't bother coming back."


That's the free enterprise system and democracy for you. :D
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 08:22 PM

View PostHDMC, on 07 November 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

And voting on a Tuesday??


Wikipedia asserts that Tuesday was established as election day because it did not interfere with the Biblical Sabbath or with market day, which was on Wednesday in many towns. It also allowed time for farmers to get to a polling place, a journey that could take a day by horse-drawn vehicle.

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"Hey Boss, can I take a break from flipping burgers to go down and vote?"

"Yeah, sure. And don't bother coming back."

In some states, Election day is a public holiday. In some others, employers must give employees paid time off to vote.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:09 PM

View PostBam, on 07 November 2012 - 08:22 PM, said:

Wikipedia asserts that Tuesday was established as election day because it did not interfere with the Biblical Sabbath or with market day, which was on Wednesday in many towns. It also allowed time for farmers to get to a polling place, a journey that could take a day by horse-drawn vehicle.


In some states, Election day is a public holiday. In some others, employers must give employees paid time off to vote.



Fair enough. And I heard talk of pre-poll voting too, but I don't know if it's universally available.


Tuesday voting still seems anachronistic to me though, and more likely to affect the poor.
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Posted 07 November 2012 - 09:40 PM

View PostHDMC, on 07 November 2012 - 09:09 PM, said:

Fair enough. And I heard talk of pre-poll voting too, but I don't know if it's universally available.


Tuesday voting still seems anachronistic to me though, and more likely to affect the poor.

I've heard the historical account before; surely it's getting a bit old for a place like the US.
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Posted 08 November 2012 - 07:01 PM

View Postscotto, on 07 November 2012 - 09:40 PM, said:

I've heard the historical account before; surely it's getting a bit old for a place like the US.

By now Tuesday voting in the USA has the force of tradition.

As a matter of trivia, Australia didn't always vote on a Saturday.
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Posted 09 November 2012 - 04:46 AM

View PostBam, on 08 November 2012 - 07:01 PM, said:

By now Tuesday voting in the USA has the force of tradition.

As a matter of trivia, Australia didn't always vote on a Saturday.

I have vague memories of your second point.... but maybe I'm just imagining that. How long ago was that?

The US would have to declare a public holiday to stay with Tuesday, then there would be all the screaming about lost productivity.
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 06:40 AM

View PostHDMC, on 07 November 2012 - 04:19 PM, said:

And voting on a Tuesday??



"Hey Boss, can I take a break from flipping burgers to go down and vote?"

"Yeah, sure. And don't bother coming back."


ACtually, all employers are required by law to give employees time off to vote. Of course they could have an election on a saturday or even more radically, put up eough polling booths/machines to allow people to vote without spending half a day in the line.
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 07:13 AM

View Postlongweekend58, on 10 November 2012 - 06:40 AM, said:

ACtually, all employers are required by law to give employees time off to vote.


Unless you're in Connecticut, D.C, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Louisiana, Maine, Michigan, Mississippi, Montana, New Jersey, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, Vermont, or Virginia, you mean?


edit -
May as well chuck in North Dakota as well....

"The law "encourages" employers to establish a program to allow an employee to be absent for the purpose of voting if the employee's work schedule conflicts with voting during the time polls are open. This is voluntary for employers. There is no guaranteed right to be absent."
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Posted 10 November 2012 - 08:07 AM

View Postscotto, on 09 November 2012 - 04:46 AM, said:

I have vague memories of your second point.... but maybe I'm just imagining that. How long ago was that?

I don't know about State elections, but this was mostly in the early days of the Federation. The first few Federal elections were held on the following dates:
  • 1901 - Friday 29 March and Saturday 30 March.
  • 1903 - Wednesday 16 December.
  • 1906 - Wednesday 12 December.
  • 1910 - Wednesday 13 April.
  • 1913 - Saturday 31 May.

Subsequent House elections were all on a Saturday.
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Posted 11 November 2012 - 03:33 PM

Well, Obama has taken Florida giving him a final tally of 332 - 206.
This is despite the Florida Republicans best efforts.....

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But at least two Florida vote experts saw the chaos as the result of a raw, bare-knuckled Republican attempt to suppress turnout.

Lance de Haven-Smith, from Florida State University, said Republican state officials had been "intentionally under-supplying voting places and equipment" to create bottlenecks in traditionally Democratic strongholds, "thereby reducing Democratic voting and manipulating the election outcome".

Charles Zelden, a history and law professor at Nova Southeastern University in Florida, also said the state's Republican legislature wanted to slow down voting for partisan purposes.

He pointed to a law signed by Scott last year that reduced the number of early voting days from 14 to eight and eliminated early voting on the Sunday before election day.

Democrats tend to do better in early voting, so the measures were seen as likely to have benefited Mr Romney.


Nice.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 02:47 PM

Yes, nothing like trying to rig the election if you can't win it.
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:13 PM

View Postscotto, on 12 November 2012 - 02:47 PM, said:

Yes, nothing like trying to rig the election if you can't win it.

Yes, the Florida Republicans have form on this.

It's why the American system is crap. The election of the President, a national election, is handled using local rules and methods that vary county to county.

Another issue is the gerrymandering that produces very oddly-shaped electoral districts that tend to favour one party over the other. Both major parties do it. Here is an extreme example from the state of Illinois.
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What the USA really needs is an impartial body that functions like the Australian Electoral Commission that has sole responsibility for handling electorate boundaries, administering electoral rolls and running elections.
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 08:39 AM

That's a total corker of an election district. They might as well choose the individual voters!
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 03:03 PM

View Postscotto, on 21 November 2012 - 08:39 AM, said:

That's a total corker of an election district. They might as well choose the individual voters!
In some counties they do!
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Posted 21 November 2012 - 04:09 PM

View PostGeorgeParsons, on 21 November 2012 - 03:03 PM, said:

In some counties they do!

True enough. The Malaysian government chose a lot who are only 12 years old!
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