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Posted 12 November 2012 - 09:19 AM

If I thought that I would be listened to, I would suggest to all Christian religions to abandon their focus only on God,and the Holy Bible teachings in favour of them becoming political activists on human rights around the world...but with a difference. It will have to be done in the absence of any religious context or connection whatsoever in order to remain credible and appealing to all including the atheists. In short the Christian religions for the first time shall become realists...living in the real world.
But alas, I know that this is too much to ask for and it will never come to fruition. They may uphold human rights and other social agenda, but, due to their non-objectivity and/or obsession the argument will always fall within the context of either the Holy Bible and/or God. They may even selectively quote a religious statement of some famous person,past or present, who was obviously a religious fanatic, pretending that this confers some sort of credibility on their religion.If one wants to be balanced(unlike them) one can find quotes from famous persons, past and present, on atheism as well which, by claim, can make atheism credible. The argument on human rights/social agenda becomes lost and only credible to a minority number of religious fanatics.
And this is the achilles heel of many Christian religions, their credibility which they seem to ignore perhaps due to arrogance. I must be fair here and say that atheists are not that hot either. They can be considered the other end of the spectrum. This is the problem with the world...no balance.It's either black or white and nothing in between.
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Posted 12 November 2012 - 10:09 AM

Then, thank Heaven, that Catholicism relies on more than the Bible.
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 08:34 AM

Yes it relies on God.That is mentioned in my post
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:20 AM

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Yes it relies on God.That is mentioned in my post

But your post doesn't mention those other things on which the Catholic Church relies and in fact one of the criticisms leveled against it by some Christian breakaway groups is that it doesn't pay enough attention to the Bible.
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Posted 13 November 2012 - 09:55 PM

Christian religions (including Roman Catholicism) as far as I am aware are similar in nature except for some variations of belief or procedure. However they all believe in immorality...or morality. They all believe in the concept of sin.No such concepts exist. They are only words used in the religious context. There are what I call "human flaws" however which if, ironically, was not for the existence of "free will" will not be committed by those same humans. The human being had the good sense to criminalize the more serious of these human flaws
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:31 AM

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Christian religions (including Roman Catholicism) as far as I am aware are similar in nature except for some variations of belief or procedure. However they all believe in immorality...or morality. They all believe in the concept of sin.No such concepts exist. They are only words used in the religious context. There are what I call "human flaws" however which if, ironically, was not for the existence of "free will" will not be committed by those same humans. The human being had the good sense to criminalize the more serious of these human flaws

Just to be pedantic; "....They all believe in the concept of sin.No such concepts exist.". Such a concept exists because they have thought of it and 'sin' as a concept also exists because it was thought of.

More confusion can be found at Concept
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:18 AM

Christian religions like any eminent persons on any subject are not infallible Roderick.Infallibility on this planet is not conferred on anyone whether they are eminent/expert or any institution. They are human beings and managed by human beings and are therefore susceptible in making errors of judgement or otherwise. Therefore their expert opinions are open to challenge...by anyone
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:32 AM

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Christian religions like any eminent persons on any subject are not infallible Roderick.Infallibility on this planet is not conferred on anyone whether they are eminent/expert or any institution. They are human beings and managed by human beings and are therefore susceptible in making errors of judgement or otherwise. Therefore their expert opinions are open to challenge...by anyone

Yes, but what has that to do with the concept of a concept?
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:12 PM

The concept of a concept???? You've got me there Roderick
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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:13 PM

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The concept of a concept???? You've got me there Roderick

Read the link above, basically a concept is a thought that has been formulated and discussed until it takes a concrete, as it were, form that can be recognized by others by its name alone.
The concept of 'Freedom' for instance, or to get back on target, the concept of 'sin'; sin may or may not be a reality but it is a concept.

Thus 'Concept' is a concept.
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:32 PM

Well the concept of "sin" may not be a reality...but to millions of people around the world who are "brainwashed" on this issue, they believe it to be a reality....so it is, to them, a reality
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Posted 15 November 2012 - 06:57 PM

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Well the concept of "sin" may not be a reality...but to millions of people around the world who are "brainwashed" on this issue, they believe it to be a reality....so it is, to them, a reality

But the concept in a reality, it exists.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:17 AM

Alright sin exists...so this means by definition that whatever the Christian religions say....it is not only true....but infallible
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 07:19 AM

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Alright sin exists...so this means by definition that whatever the Christian religions say....it is not only true....but infallible

No, sin may or may not exist but the concept of sin does exist.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 08:01 AM

So you think that it is right that Christian religions condemn people as immoral (as in accordance with their doctrine) on only the (concept) not reality of sin?
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 09:25 AM

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So you think that it is right that Christian religions condemn people as immoral (as in accordance with their doctrine) on only the (concept) not reality of sin?

We must look at things from their perspective, to them sin is not only a concept but also a reality.

To illustrate concepts, sentient life on other planets is a concept not a reality and at one time the atom was a concept not a reality.
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Posted 16 November 2012 - 06:49 PM

But their perspective is one of Obsessive Compulsive Behavior (OCD). This is a mental disorder where obsession takes over rationalization.
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